[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Right Prof. You could manage to confuse me. However I am a great believer of the cyclic universe theory. But I am trying to figure out how this cycle started...

Well if it's like the Hindu eternal cyclical universe, than of course nothing started it in that's eternal, which means no beginning, no end.

I'll grant you our finite temporal minds cannot fully comprehend infinity or eternity. That doesn't mean they don't exist, because very likely they do.

Good luck pondering the eternal and the infinite Dipayankar.

Pat

[Profpat]

Perhaps we could all ponder the Eternal and Infinite versus the Temporal and Finite.

Well we ever truly know which model is correct?

I heard that if the universe is Perfectly flat than it's infinite, However if it has the slightest curve than it's finite.

They talk about a created universe, one with a beginning, but how do you get something from nothing? Wouldn't God or the universe have to be eternal?

Will we ever truly know?

What are your thoughts?

Pat

[Profpat]

SOME SYMBOLS TO AID IN YOUR CONTEMPLATION:

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Okay Fredrick, in making matter energy is getting used up. Is there any way this energy is replenished back? Or does it happen when matter is broken down again into energy?

The answer is rather simple, Dipayankar, but let me first chime in with Pat and say that you have excellent questions. Is there something hiding inside you about a toe that is eager to come out?

The simple answer is that energy and matter are exchangeable, so we have a dual state for what is one and the same on that conceptual level. Both are therefore like wet tissue, but possibly of two different forms of manifestation.

Once the tissue is wet, it exists as matter/energy. Any piece of tissue and any piece of water not in contact with one another is still part of the potential state. A question could then be: will matter appear if water and tissue meet in places it hasn't before, and can wet tissue encounter 'dry spells' and return to the potential state? I cannot really answer that question because it requires knowing all about our universe. In our local situation we know that energy does not get lost, but extrapolating that to the entire universe is something I am not comfortable with.

So, in short, once matter is created it exists on this side of the material curtain. From our local situation in the universe we know that energy does not get lost, so we know that what exists on this side remains on this side. The next question if there is some kind of super balance (of potential state plus including the always outward moving energy/matter) that allows for each disappearing piece of energy/matter be replaced by another piece of energy/matter right away? Possibly. As you may realize, it fits the image of the surfer standing on the invisible wave quite well.

So, will you answer my question if you have a toe (or several toes) you are willing to stick in the water?

P.S.
Pat, last time I'll bore yuall with repeating myself on single dimensional strings: squeezing apples and then getting orange juice only happens in fairy tales. Apologies for not controlling myself and not being capable of ignoring the urge to share this conceptual knowledge.

[Vincent Wee-Foo]

Originally Posted by Profpat

Hi Profpat;

These images of strings strike me on how they could be related to vortex.



Polar jet stream and sub-tropical jet stream on north pole of Earth closely resemble the characteristics of strings. In UVS concept these jet streams are laminar flow of consolidated viscous matter formed in closed stream lines created by their polar vortexes, in spins the jet streams are vibrating at resonant frequencies in the toroid shape structure and has a meandering pattern as a result of flow perturbation. Under circumstances a section of the closed stream line could break as a result of external perturbation such as the flow is being blocked at a section, rendering it the appearance of an open loop of laminar flow in a meandering closed stream line structure driven by the polar vortex. This broken section occurrence to a jet stream is a known phenomenon, has a structure similar to an open loop string.

Based on singular vortex mechanism, the phenomenon of polar jet stream of Earth is a vortrex driven by a high altitude polar vortex at a most pressurized bottom section that is smallest in diameter for vortex column with the highest wind speed, this section is sunken as furrow on the surface of a lower atmosphere that has bounced upward vortically. This is a momentum culmination of vortical dynamics in the viscous mass, in closed streamlines as a meandering torus shape structure the high speed jet stream has a lift that flow perpetually in a loop.

This is the first time I am visualizing how string is related to vortex in a new perspective; string is consolidated into form by fictitious forces of a meandering vortex in fundamental substance.

F.Y.I. and best regards,

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by Profpat Felix can you give the link or site where Brian Greene states that superstrings looped are not workable? I would be most interested in this.

Hi Pat

Thanks for the pic - I should have remembered my Dad taking that.

As regards BG and the string - it was at the end of the PBS series on 'The Elegant Universe' which you gave me to the link to. I have not seen it in writing.

regards
Felix

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by Vincent Wee-Foo The images of strings strike me on how they could be related to vortex.

Vincent, you are the first person, who shows (me) how strings can actually be considered a real phenomenon as part of our 3D world. I do not know if others also visualize strings as actual aspects of certain phenomena, but I think you are right on! Thank you!

Let me be impolite here and quote myself, for some aspects (but not the whole) of what I deliver appear to be closely related to what you are delivering:

Originally Posted by Fredrick Playing tennis, you can consider matter the warped ball of energy going in a particular infinite direction. Potential energy + void = matter (warped energy).

and:

Originally Posted by Fredrick ...the additional dimensions of string theory are nothing but ordinary aspects of our universe. The point in string theory is to see through the trick they are not aware of playing on themselves. What it basically comes down to is that our human brain can create concepts, Dipayankar, and some of them can get quite complicated. String theorists mention they have discovered additional dimensions, but in reality they are only pointing to specific aspects of the normal dimensions already covered. As such, they have real additional aspects, but no additional dimensions. The only two dimensions I have in the pentaist theory of everything are actually behaving much like two mirrors placed in front of each other. I bet you have seen something similar at a fair. Two mirrors theoretically contain infinity, because one mirror mirroring the other mirror make an infinite numbers of mirrors line up. One could say, that is perfection. In the dimensional world of the pentaist theory of everything, all we have are two mirrors; not three, not ten or eleven, not an infinite number of mirrors. Two mirrors plus an eye that can get confused making the distinction between the real two mirrors and the many others it really sees, but that are nothing else but the reflections of the two.

So, within warpism one would be able to find the effects that are exactly the same thing as what strings are. The interesting part is that string theorists claim these effects are the basis of matter (something I call humbug). You are providing an actual example of strings being an effect. Excellent, Vincent!


Oh, and here is a picture of another cat — clearly not related to Felix — but worth showing in light of my quest to find Cyclops:



http://www.livescience.com/animals/0...clops_cat.html

[Profpat]

Thanks Vincent for your input.

I've always had an open mind regarding stings being votexes, funnels, or some other shape at it's foundation. Your image is interesting.

Fredrick, is that poor cat a result of science gone amuck with genetic engineering or just a freak of nature?

Felix, I believe Brian Greene is still a string advocate, though he has always admitted that is an unproven theory.

Best to all,

Pat

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by Profpat Fredrick, is that poor cat a result of science gone amuck with genetic engineering or just a freak of nature?

Pat, I provided a link right underneath the picture with all details.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Pay no attention to what can't be seen behind the material curtain, for it is no longer there anyway, and dance on stage in front of the curtain. To rest and relax, view the stage from the witness of the audience. To sleep, exit the theater.

Next time: the tennis ball.