[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Prof do you believe (like Vincent) that Gravity could be a subset of EM forces?

If there is a singularity, and I don't know that there is, than both Gravity and the EM forces would have to be One. Whether EM is part of Gravity or Gravity is part of the EM would be indifferent, they both would be part of the Singularity.

[dipayankar]

That is because after the inflation the forces got divided its't it?

Originally Posted by Profpat If there is a singularity, and I don't know that there is, than both Gravity and the EM forces would have to be One. Whether EM is part of Gravity or Gravity is part of the EM would be indifferent, they both would be part of the Singularity.

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar That is because after the inflation the forces got divided its't it?

I'm not sure Dipayankar, but that is a very interesting thought you have. I never thought that it may be the spatial inflation which divided the forces. You may indeed be correct there sir.

Best,

Pat

[Fredrick]

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[Profpat]

Thanks for the compliment Fredrick.

I am not sure where I stand on singularities Fredrick. I guess I'm open to that concept, and yet I'm stuck on duality. The Yin/Yang, Positive/Negative of the universe, constituting One Neutral charge. The force that drives ourselves and our universe.

I'm sorry Fredrick, but are you a believer in Singularities. I should remember but my P-Brane has many Black Holes in it.

Best,

Pat

[austintorn@aol.com]

Prof,

Dinosaurs have a pea-brain, but you have it altogether.

For me, one singularity could be that energy/FS could be it, but then again, why was that sitting around?

We were just lucky, I guess, that 'nothing' couldn't cut it or there wouldn't be anything to do.

I think Fredrick actually believes in the separateness of fundamentals, which seems reasonable, too, even pentalisim, for there's no good reason to just suppose just one thing.

The Yin/Ying could be two sides of the same coin.

Anyone 63 who can marry someone 34 must know something about the TOE.

[Profpat]

I know Linda has cute little toes that she paints pink. The only TOE's I need to know.

I agree that the yin/yang and pos/neg are two sides that make up the ONE coin. Which is a good thought Austin, maybe the SINGULARITY has two sides or aspects to it.

Best,

Pat

[dipayankar]

I think it was at 10^-33 seconds after the big bang that the forces seperated....

Originally Posted by Profpat I'm not sure Dipayankar, but that is a very interesting thought you have. I never thought that it may be the spatial inflation which divided the forces. You may indeed be correct there sir. Best, Pat

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar I think it was at 10^-33 seconds after the big bang that the forces seperated....

Yes and I believe according to the spatial inflation theory, space ( whatever that was at the time ) was traveling faster than the speed of light. That in itself could have broke the unification of the 4 known forces. ( I only believe right now in 2 forces, EM and Gravity. I believe the strong and weak nuclear forces are part of the EM force )

Best to you sir,

Pat

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by Profpat Yes and I believe according to the spatial inflation theory, space ( whatever that was at the time ) was traveling faster than the speed of light. That in itself could have broke the unification of the 4 known forces. ( I only believe right now in 2 forces, EM and Gravity. I believe the strong and weak nuclear forces are part of the EM force).

We do disagree somewhat here, Pat, though I can follow where you are going. The main obstacle to overall singularity is that we are not at the source. Materialization has happened on this side of the universe, and as such, no overall singularity could have ever existed on this side, not even before the 10^-33 seconds given to us in a theory about the beginnings.

Each particle in our universe is a singularity on its own. Yet collectively we cannot get a singularity out of all the separate singularities. Opposition is natural on this side of the universe, because we manifested in this location that is void of the source, except of that what originates from the source (i.e. all matter). The source exists on this side only as chunks, not as the overall whole source. In as far as singularities can exist, they can only exist within their own specific frameworks.

Because we can consider each ourselves a singular entity, it is normal to expect a larger overall singularity as well. Yet that is just a trick of the mind. Many singularities of a varied kind do not make an overall singularity in an absolute sense; only in the abstract can we make a single overall singularity.

As far as the forces are concerned, a pentaist pyramid contains the three forms of opposition:
A/ the general force vs. the specific forces (gravity vs. the other four)
B/ the absolute oppositional forces (strong vs. weak);
C/ the transformational forces (electric vs. magnetic).

Naturally, this can be described differently, such as gravity being an internal force and the others as external, but that does not create a different way of ordering them.

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