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I will wait for some more time to see if you change your statement.. if you dont, then I will relook at my statement
Regardless how my recent marriage goes, I'll never change that statement. You and I and the universe needs Yin/Yang for a balanced universe. Who did not have a mother?

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Yin/Yang is a concept that I never understood. Is it the same as male/female?


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Yin/Yang is a concept that I never understood. Is it the same as male/female?
Yes and much more. It is the concept of duality, becoming a unified singularity, ( and the two shall become one ). We all know and accept that the universe, and you and I are built on positive and negative charges which balance and makes things neutral and give it the dynamics of attraction and repulsion, action and reaction.

Yin is the female component ( passive and yielding ) Yang is the male component ( firm and active ). Truly both of these are necessary to have intercourse and the procreation of the species.

Vive la differences.

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Allow me, Dipayan, to add the Li and Ki delivery here. Yin and Yang are only the material opposites, such as male and female (and the other forms Pat alluded to), while Li and Ki are the material versus the spiritual opposites (from: neo-confusianism). Ultimately, the spiritual world does not contain a single overarching entity, rather it is the overarching principle that is thought to exist on top of the various material deliveries. As such a unifying principle can be found (but no singularity, Pat; I know, small difference). Many unifying principles are thought to exist (because there is a large variety of opposites possible).
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Some Yin has been liberated, being very active, adding to the confusionism,and some Yang has been demoted to manual labor. When they meet halfway, all is bliss.

Eve, the mother of all mothers, had no mother.
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Frederick you are correct, it is a unification of principles and not a singularity.Thank you for the correction.Best,Pat
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You are correct also Austin, role reversals in the western world has added much confusion to our everyday life.

I remember graffiti in the bathroom stalls of California Polytechnic were I taught for a couple of years.

" Good old CalPoly where men are men and so are the women, and the sheep are worried. "

I find in my old age, with my heart condition, rather than being firm and active, I'm soft and inactive. Ahhh, for the good old days.

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This is a question for both Fredrick and Prof. How do you think spiritiuality and mind etc. is important for a scientific ToE?


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This is a question for both Fredrick and Prof. How do you think spiritiuality and mind etc. is important for a scientific ToE?
Hi Dipayankar;

Once again a very good and valid question.

I would think any T.O.E. would have to not only include mind, body and spirit, but would also unify the three.

My An Idea attempts to do that, which at the beginning credits a Supreme Being and at the conclusion shows a picture of my grandson.

I believe the Person is the perfect example of that unification of Mind, Body and Spirit; or if you prefer, Mental, Physical and Emotional Human Being, made into God's image and likeness.

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Hi Dipayankar;

Once again a very good and valid question.

I would think any T.O.E. would have to not only include mind, body and spirit, but would also unify the three.

My An Idea attempts to do that, which at the beginning credits a Supreme Being and at the conclusion shows a picture of my grandson.

I believe the Person is the perfect example of that unification of Mind, Body and Spirit; or if you prefer, Mental, Physical and Emotional Human Being, made into God's image and likeness.

Best to you Dipayankar,

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I fully agree with Pat, Dipayan, except for the unifying part of course.

Just kidding and just playing with words. (Yes, I know, I wasn't born funny).


I could not disagree more, exactly because Pat mentions a unifying principle that is the root of so much trouble. But that is not the question you are asking.

As soon as scientists discover that they wrapped themselves in a religious concept of the unifying principle, and then free themselves of this alien thinking, then they will (as they have formulated similar deliveries this way already) conclude that science can explain anything about the parts of the bicycle, and that it only takes the right combination of the parts to have the mind be a functioning bicycle.

The right combination does not require further scientific explanation, for the combination was discovered in a natural evolutionary way already. The potential of the right combination was included with the parts. There is really no enigma there, as there are (created) enigmas in religion and philosophy.

In philosophy some may go as far as stating the table in front of you is not really there, but in science the table is the starting point. In religion the big question is always where the soul came from, but it would be like asking: How can you place a cup high above the floor without you touching it? (Answer: a table.) How can we not have a mind? Imagine not having a mind, but then make sure you are imagining it without you having a mind!?!? My reply: Duh!

As for spirituality? This is a generic term, and I would say that the examples of spirituality are much like the views and perspectives we find when taking a bike ride.

I am certain others will have different ideas to mention on your very good question, Dipayan. How about yourself in light of this question?
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