An Idea

[Profpat]

Frederick you are correct, it is a unification of principles and not a singularity.Thank you for the correction.Best,Pat

[Profpat]

You are correct also Austin, role reversals in the western world has added much confusion to our everyday life.

I remember graffiti in the bathroom stalls of California Polytechnic were I taught for a couple of years.

" Good old CalPoly where men are men and so are the women, and the sheep are worried. "

I find in my old age, with my heart condition, rather than being firm and active, I'm soft and inactive. Ahhh, for the good old days.

Best to you,

Pat

[dipayankar]

This is a question for both Fredrick and Prof. How do you think spiritiuality and mind etc. is important for a scientific ToE?

Frederick you are correct, it is a unification of principles and not a singularity.Thank you for the correction.Best,Pat

[Profpat]

This is a question for both Fredrick and Prof. How do you think spiritiuality and mind etc. is important for a scientific ToE?

Hi Dipayankar;

Once again a very good and valid question.

I would think any T.O.E. would have to not only include mind, body and spirit, but would also unify the three.

My An Idea attempts to do that, which at the beginning credits a Supreme Being and at the conclusion shows a picture of my grandson.

I believe the Person is the perfect example of that unification of Mind, Body and Spirit; or if you prefer, Mental, Physical and Emotional Human Being, made into God's image and likeness.

Best to you Dipayankar,

Pat

[Fredrick]

Hi Dipayankar;

Once again a very good and valid question.

I would think any T.O.E. would have to not only include mind, body and spirit, but would also unify the three.

My An Idea attempts to do that, which at the beginning credits a Supreme Being and at the conclusion shows a picture of my grandson.

I believe the Person is the perfect example of that unification of Mind, Body and Spirit; or if you prefer, Mental, Physical and Emotional Human Being, made into God's image and likeness.

Best to you Dipayankar,

Pat

I fully agree with Pat, Dipayan, except for the unifying part of course.

Just kidding and just playing with words. (Yes, I know, I wasn't born funny).


I could not disagree more, exactly because Pat mentions a unifying principle that is the root of so much trouble. But that is not the question you are asking.

As soon as scientists discover that they wrapped themselves in a religious concept of the unifying principle, and then free themselves of this alien thinking, then they will (as they have formulated similar deliveries this way already) conclude that science can explain anything about the parts of the bicycle, and that it only takes the right combination of the parts to have the mind be a functioning bicycle.

The right combination does not require further scientific explanation, for the combination was discovered in a natural evolutionary way already. The potential of the right combination was included with the parts. There is really no enigma there, as there are (created) enigmas in religion and philosophy.

In philosophy some may go as far as stating the table in front of you is not really there, but in science the table is the starting point. In religion the big question is always where the soul came from, but it would be like asking: How can you place a cup high above the floor without you touching it? (Answer: a table.) How can we not have a mind? Imagine not having a mind, but then make sure you are imagining it without you having a mind!?!? My reply: Duh!

As for spirituality? This is a generic term, and I would say that the examples of spirituality are much like the views and perspectives we find when taking a bike ride.

I am certain others will have different ideas to mention on your very good question, Dipayan. How about yourself in light of this question?

[Profpat]

An ameba is far more complex and wonderous then any bike, aircraft, nuclear submarine, space shuttle, or any other mechanical device invented by man.

The idea of a clockwork universe has long been abandoned by most scientist, since Einstein's relativity and quatum mechanics, has entered the scene.

Maybe science or you Fredrrick could explain the enigma or mystery of something from nothing. Or if you are a steady stater how that " something " just happens to be there. And will the universe end?

The mystery of life and especially man is far beyond science to fully comprehend, and yet here it is.

I do agree with Frederick on what do you think Dipayankar?

Best to all,

Pat

[Fredrick]

The mystery of life and especially man is far beyond science to fully comprehend, and yet here it is.

The mystery of our universe' origin is beyond science, philosophy, and religion. Try as we might, no one can actually and fully go there. Getting grasps of it is the best we can do.

This is a question for both Fredrick and Prof. How do you think spiritiuality and mind etc. is important for a scientific ToE?

Dipayan requested a scientific reply, so I provided it, Pat.

Maybe science or you Fredrick could explain the enigma or mystery of something from nothing.

I do agree with Fredrick on what do you think Dipayan?

I believe I have mentioned before that in my scientific framework the universe did not start from nothing. It started because of the phenomenon of nothing. Without the phenomenon of nothing our universe could not have started.

[Profpat]

Thanks for your reply Frederick. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Best,

Pat

[austintorn@aol.com]

Prof, old buddy

As we can't know all, this fact says that we are free to be, without worry of doing any wrong thing; thus the Church of Profpat works for you very well, for anyone who can marry one so young and beautiful is doing something right and having a great being.

I have noted that words or symbols like 'faith' 'God', '=', 'immaterial' and those types have a 'magical' but really physiological result of meaning "that's it", "I explained it", "case closed", "dig no further", "no more worry", etc., but really those words are 'just saying', like some just say 'there is reincarnation'. There is no shortage of claims declared by fiat.

Luckily, Prof, having your own church didn't mean you had to follow even more layers of imagination, which, amazingly, would go on to state the nature of the God, whence E came, His goodness vs. strictness, the purpose of creation, what His will is, Angels or not, what the afterlife is, if there's a Hell, drop ego or not, that our job from Him is to convert, and maybe even to squash other religions having a false idol.

By the way, Krishna done it and wants cows to be treated as sacred.

[Profpat]

You are right Austin my beliefs are very simple. Love God, love others as I love myself, and replenish the Earth. Amen and period. Very simple beliefs but very difficult at times to follow.

Best to you Austin and thanks for all your help,

Pat