[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by Profpat

The idea of a clockwork universe has long been abandoned by most scientist, since Einstein's relativity and quatum mechanics, has entered the scene.

Hi Profpat

I'm not sure I agree with this. Over a century or so we have gone from Newton to Einstein to quantum mechanics but this has not mean we have abandoned the clockwork universe - it's just that we started out with Big Ben and now we are working with a miniature quartze watch which can only be seen through an electron microscope.

I would like to thank whoever it was who gave me the link to Steven Bryant's excellent exposition of the faults in Special Relativity (http://www.relativitychallenge.com). It really is an eyeopener.

best to all
Felix

PS - Big Ben still keeps excellent time.

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

To be perfectly honest Prof and Fredrick... I am still thinking as to whether I do have a mind as a seperate entity or is it a projection of my brain, some neurons that combine in a certain way to give the illusion of the mind.

We do have consciousness that for sure, but is it unique to humans? Can a microorganism have consciousness? Since they do not have brains, would they have a mind?

Would a ToE (they way I see it ie unification of the grand with the quantum) actually require a mind and spirituality? Can gravity be affected by mind?

Wow there are so many questions in my mind.... Probably I need to read a lot more about various aspects of science and spirituality...

If we are just talking about a TOE for the physical universe than I don't know if we need to consider the mental or spiritual aspect of that. Though the universe and/or the Earth may have awareness.

However if you want to include life forms and humans as part of everything then we have to consider it.

Why do I have the ability to love and hate. Where do my thoughts come from, and why are they such.

Best to you Dipayankar, and keep the questions coming,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi Felix,

Glad to hear from you again.

Well it is a strange clock. Sometimes it stops ( via Black Hole ); sometimes it goes faster than time itself ( via Spatial Inflation ). Sometimes the clock is there, sometimes it's not there, sometimes it is everywhere. ( electrons being viewed as point particles everywhere in space )

My own An Idea tries to return this Alice's world of quantum mechanics, back to something understandable. But all in all Newtons clockwork universe is not the same clock that you and I grew up with.

Best to you Felix,

Pat

[dipayankar]

If you dont mind Felix, can you please send me a link which describes the concept of clockwork Universe?

Originally Posted by Felix Schrodinger

Hi Profpat

I'm not sure I agree with this. Over a century or so we have gone from Newton to Einstein to quantum mechanics but this has not mean we have abandoned the clockwork universe - it's just that we started out with Big Ben and now we are working with a miniature quartze watch which can only be seen through an electron microscope.

I would like to thank whoever it was who gave me the link to Steven Bryant's excellent exposition of the faults in Special Relativity (http://www.relativitychallenge.com). It really is an eyeopener.

best to all
Felix

PS - Big Ben still keeps excellent time.

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

If you dont mind Felix, can you please send me a link which describes the concept of clockwork Universe?

Hi Dipayankar;

Felix may have something additional to offer, but this is from our friends at wikipedia:

The Clockwork Universe Theory is a theory, established by Isaac Newton, as to the origins of the universe.
A "clockwork universe" can be thought of as being a clock wound up by God and ticking along, as a perfect machine, with its gears governed by the laws of physics.
What sets this theory apart from others is the idea that God's only contribution to the universe was to set everything in motion, and from there the laws of science took hold and have governed every sequence of events since that time. This idea was very popular during the Enlightenment, when scientists realized that Newton's laws of motion, including the law of universal gravitation, could explain the behavior of the solar system.
A notable exclusion from this theory though is free will, since all things have already been set in motion and are just parts of a predictable machine. Newton feared that this notion of "everything is predetermined" would lead to atheism.
This theory was undermined by the second law of thermodynamics ( the total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value) and quantum physics with its unpredictable random behavior.

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

If you dont mind Felix, can you please send me a link which describes the concept of a clockwork Universe?

Hi Dippy

I can't believe that you didn't see this coming!!

http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...nce-shiva.html

regards
Felix

[dipayankar]

Felix and Prof, thanks a lot for your sites...

Originally Posted by Profpat

Hi Dipayankar;

Felix may have something additional to offer, but this is from our friends at wikipedia:

The Clockwork Universe Theory is a theory, established by Isaac Newton, as to the origins of the universe.
A "clockwork universe" can be thought of as being a clock wound up by God and ticking along, as a perfect machine, with its gears governed by the laws of physics.
What sets this theory apart from others is the idea that God's only contribution to the universe was to set everything in motion, and from there the laws of science took hold and have governed every sequence of events since that time. This idea was very popular during the Enlightenment, when scientists realized that Newton's laws of motion, including the law of universal gravitation, could explain the behavior of the solar system.
A notable exclusion from this theory though is free will, since all things have already been set in motion and are just parts of a predictable machine. Newton feared that this notion of "everything is predetermined" would lead to atheism.
This theory was undermined by the second law of thermodynamics ( the total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value) and quantum physics with its unpredictable random behavior.

[Farsight]

Pat:

Yes, I see common ground here. Your triplet of linked circles looks fairly close to a trefoil knot. Your eight internal dynamic dimensions are akin to degrees of freedom. (Think of a 3-dimensional cube denoted by x y and z. It can extend in the x direction, or the y direction, or the z direction. Or in the xy direction, the xz direction, or the yz direction. Or in the xyz direction. Or in no direction, because you're free to pause. That's eight degrees of freedom). The electron is a ripple in space yes, but it's tied in a "knot". And it's an extended entity rather than point particle. There's no solid nugget detected down to 10^-18 metres but that's like looking for a cannonball in the middle of a whirlpool. Charge is part of what it is. Electrons and proton numbers match because to make a twist you have to make an untwist at the same time, and the proton/antiproton/electron/positron universe is unstable so it settles into an electron/proton situation. Photons however are ripples in space rather than ghost particles, see pair production.

[Profpat]

Hi Farsight;

Thank you for your review and comments.

I agree that photons are more than just ghost particles. I believe they are created, however, from the conversion of mass to energy. I agree they are a 2 dimensional transverse wave as science and your theory describes them to be. I do think however they reflect the massive particle, and are therefore more of an energy wave than a true particle.

While you may be correct that the photon is the fundamental substance I still like the concept of a 1 dimensional Planck length string fitting that bill.

I do like your own theory very much however, and do see some agreement between the two.

Yours is well thought out and researched, mine is of course more simplified.

I'm still in the process of reading yours and will comment in more detail at your thread.

Very best,

Pat

[Farsight]

Thanks again Pat. Yes, the photon is an energy wave, but then so are "true" particles. They're solitons where the wave is trapped in a looping path, hence wave/particle duality. See the sections on mass and particles where I describe the symmetry between momentum and inertia and talk about pair production and annihilation. You can make an electron and a positron out of a 1022KeV photon, and then combine them to get back to photons. I describe the electron and the positron as photon configurations, and the same applies to protons and neutrons. The neutron by the way is similar to the trefoil proton but with additional twist and turn which makes for nuclear binding via the residual strong force.