[sillysally]

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi everyone; This is completely off the subject, but I just received pictures of my grandson at 10 months old, and I had to share them with you. He is my only grandchild, and to me represents life and joy. He is the same one that I posted at the end of my AN IDEA.( 1st post ) Very best to all, Pat

He is so sweet! He looks like he is trying to squash us with his fingers! He has hair! I have to shave my baby's hair off, family tradition, she's going to look like a cancer patient soon! I'll post pictures of her new doo after we do it!

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by sillysally He is so sweet! He looks like he is trying to squash us with his fingers! He has hair! I have to shave my baby's hair off, family tradition, she's going to look like a cancer patient soon! I'll post pictures of her new doo after we do it!

Thanks Sally.

Have you ever watched KIDS IN THE HALL? Squishing your head, squishing your head.
At least he's not giving us the bird, like some young lady I know.
And he needs a haircut, but my daughter wants to keep it uncut for his 1st year.

Best to you,

Pat

[Bob Campbell]

Hi Profpat,

The spirit behind your idea is admirable as is your effort to construct a coherent synthesis of inputs from diverse ideas in science and religion. We all seek to integrate our experience in some meaningful way. Yours seems to be a linear progression from void toward multiplicity. In some very general respects it is reminiscent of JG Bennett's Systemmatics, which was a remarkable work outlined in the four volume Dramatic Universe series published about 40 years ago by Hodder and Stoughton. He was a brilliant man, accomplished mathematician, and conversant in 16 languages I've heard.

I have studied eastern religions and worked and lived in the Middle East and the Far East for about 30 years. One comment I would like to make about the Void is that it is directly accessible in human experience. It is the eternal empty side of the world of form. It is sometimes interpreted in Hinduism and especially in Buddhism as nirvana or enlightenment, especially in the Mahayana tradition. The experience is also known in the forest tradition of Theravada Buddhism where the discipline is very strong, but there is not the same inclination to interpret it in the same exclusive way as in Zen for instance. Taoist poetry is also full of references to the void. If you are interested, my work comes from many direct experiences of the Void, one of which is described on my website. The advantage is that it offers a pragmatic new methodoly to the sciences.

Best regards,
Bob

[Profpat]

Hi Bob;

Thank you for the complimentary comment.

Yes I would be interested in your site. I once tranced myself and experienced an OBE ( out of body ), I lost Pat and left with just self ( I AM ) but while in that state I BECAME AWARE THAT ALL IS ILLUSION.
At that point my awareness seemed like it was being erased, and i panicked and found myself back in my body. I read later that had I allowed myself to lose awareness I could have visited Nirvania. Did you reach the state of Nirvania?

Best to you,

Pat

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by Profpat Thanks Sally. Have you ever watched KIDS IN THE HALL? Squishing your head, squishing your head.

lol, yeah, that's where it came from!

[Drifter]

Hi Propat
That AWARENESS is our basic "common faculty" among apparent individuals, it's the True "Self".
What you thought was being "erased" was your 'conditioning' and the imposing fear was the ego or lower-self realizing self annihilation, and so to inter-"fear" into your relative consciousness, where you have always thought "you" were. This phoney egoic "I" entity is the cause of all our illusions, once it has been established as ruler of it's domain it is then "natural" (in the un-natural sense) for it (ego) to preserve hierachy in the reigning kingdom.
You got a glimpse beyond the veil brother, many are never so fortunate
( http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs )
Consciousness is the animation of Spirit.

Things aren't always what they seem.

Best Wishes Profpat.

ps. it wasn't you who ran from it, it was the ego.
a sword in the hand of a coward is useless . . .Zen Master
you have nothing to fear of you own Self.
a small candle can light a cave dark for a thousand years.

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Bob; Thank you for the complimentary comment. Yes I would be interested in your site. I once tranced myself and experienced an OBE ( out of body ), I lost Pat and left with just self ( I AM ) but while in that state I BECAME AWARE THAT ALL IS ILLUSION. At that point my awareness seemed like it was being erased, and i panicked and found myself back in my body. I read later that had I allowed myself to lose awareness I could have visited Nirvania. Did you reach the state of Nirvania? Best to you, Pat

[Profpat]

Hi Drifter;

Thanks for the information. I never tried to trance myself after that I figure I want to remain a bit dumb and enjoy myself a bit more. It seemed Jesus and the Buddha were kind of serious. Did you get to Nirvania? Great video.

OK Sally,

I have my thumb up and I can't see you.

Best to both of you,

Pat

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Drifter Now, See what you've started Grumps?

We are all celebrating Profpat's love for his grandchild.

[Drifter]

Your welcome Profpat,

I would rather surmise that that was "untrancing" your "s"elf.
one doesn't have to "dumb" or numb to enjoy things.
just seeing them as illusion removes our "attachment" to them so we can enjoy them.
Luck happens to those who are well prepared.
Jesus and the Buddha were happy, they were free from the bondage and were serious when it came to enlightment, what you experienced ever so briefly. The first "believers" were the original "knowers" of the experience. (aka Bodhisattvas and thus The Vow of the Bodhissatva)
Nirvana is not a place you go to, it's a state of mind, The Christ State, or The Buddha mind, the State of no-mind, and Nothing moreit's your birth-right, you think your self nothing more than a puny human, a lowly prince, "Ye Were Born A King", did ye but know it.

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Drifter; Thanks for the information. I never tried to trance myself after that I figure I want to remain a bit dumb and enjoy myself a bit more. It seemed Jesus and the Buddha were kind of serious. Did you get to Nirvania? Great video. OK Sally, I have my thumb up and I can't see you. Best to both of you, Pat

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by Tina We are all celebrating Profpat's love for his grandchild.

Yes we are, and it is A GREAT AND JOYOUS LOVE.

Best to you Tina,

Pat