An Idea

[Max™]

The past and present and future aren't things, they're locations, directions.

The past is upstream along the river of time which we're floating downstream in.

It's hard to think about time, because we are looking at it through a pinhole.

[insomniac]

The past and present and future aren't things, they're locations, directions.

And as such aren't part of the physical universe, but the informational one. The past is contained in the present, like tree rings, but isn't a separate physical place.

The past is upstream along the river of time which we're floating downstream in.

That's the way we think of it. I remember getting all choked up reading on that concept in "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek", by Annie Dillard. However convenient that metaphor might be, it clearly puts the past behind us, only a memory, while the present and a bit of the future lie before us.

It's hard to think about time, because we are looking at it through a pinhole.

By the time we think about it, it IS the past. Our conscious mind is running about two tenths of a second behind reality. We are always living in the past.

Which makes the past a function of consciousness, irrespective of mass or energy

cheers,
jim

[Max™]

That implies a shared universal now, which doesn't fit well with the observed universe.

My now is not your now.

[insomniac]

That implies a shared universal now, which doesn't fit well with the observed universe.

How so, Max? The way i observe it, the physical universe IS now, and now alone. However, the holographic universe is pure information, and as such, is mass-less, timeless and occupies no space.

My now is not your now.

Are either the same as the universal now?

cheers,
jim

[Profpat]

BTW: Welcome back Fredrick,

I believe my Diagram would represent the most basic system. It is in every proton and neutron. It's the color force and indeed it is a system, random but in the long run predictible. So it's my belief that this is the original force, even though it is more complicated the the Electro/Magnetic Force. It is still based upon the actions and reactions of complementary opposites.

Best,

Pat

I came across this article in New Journal of Physics online.

Here the author talks of the 3 quark and quark and anti quark actions and reactions as a system.


The classical time evolution of the (anti)quark system as given by the Hamiltonian yields colourless clusters of (a) three quarks with different colours or (b) a quark and an antiquark with opposite colours. This is a consequence of the interplay between the attractive and repulsive interactions in the system which trigger this segregation. These quark clusters are mapped on hadronic resonance states according to energy-momentum conservation and the known spin and isospin quantum numbers of the quarks in the cluster. In our model, the resonance states do not interact any more with the system (there is no hadronic rescattering)--they just decay into stable hadrons.

Best to all,

Pat

[G_burnett]

The past and present and future aren't things, they're locations, directions.

The past is upstream along the river of time which we're floating downstream in.

It's hard to think about time, because we are looking at it through a pinhole.

Hi Max

the past and present and future are locations on a time line abet measurements ... the present is always the past state to our perception and the future only calculable so the reality is only the past.

It is more then a pinhole we percieve, in fact to memory of the way a view molten state in a blast furnace is done by the shape looked through our orb of and eye is the same.

in consideration of resonant wave effect possible the emit from the eye may also be considered abet a lesser force to lesser effect most would percieve eg seeing a ghost. but again no one would take me too serious unless it has happened.

stuff to ponder .. IMHO kind regards g.

Mikal, thank you for the offer of a maid but my wolf dog is too hungry she says and would try to eat her, .. my white board is twenty eight inch's wide by four to five feet long tacked to my walls and now about twenty seven pages thick thanks to Dave mostly. .. and i still have four inches of paper on the roll of newsprint ... one day i will afford a good draw program to my laptop but Santa forgot me again this year.

Prof ... i liked your last post and diagram but the notation after where they say "just hadrons" ... its more then just i think.

kind regards all g.

[Max™]

How so, Max? The way i observe it, the physical universe IS now, and now alone. However, the holographic universe is pure information, and as such, is mass-less, timeless and occupies no space.

Are either the same as the universal now?

cheers,
jim

Depending on your motion and mass, what you claim is Now will be different from another observer with different motion and mass.

Just as if I state that I am 3 units along a line running left and right, and you claim that you are 3 units along your own line running left and right.

Neither of our claims invalidate the others, because we do not share the same location in Space.


Accordingly, when I say "It has been 3 minutes since we passed", and I've been moving rapidly, you will claim a different interval of time between our passing and the event of me saying that it has been 3 minutes.

We are both correct, as I will have experienced 3 minutes in my frame, and you will experience however long in your frame.

[insomniac]

Depending on your motion and mass, what you claim is Now will be different from another observer with different motion and mass.

Just as if I state that I am 3 units along a line running left and right, and you claim that you are 3 units along your own line running left and right.

Neither of our claims invalidate the others, because we do not share the same location in Space.


Accordingly, when I say "It has been 3 minutes since we passed", and I've been moving rapidly, you will claim a different interval of time between our passing and the event of me saying that it has been 3 minutes.

We are both correct, as I will have experienced 3 minutes in my frame, and you will experience however long in your frame.

Howdy Max,

Can’t argue with that!

Except to point out that in each case you are referring to our perception of time. The question is, what is the fundamental process that we can perceive as both a constant and a variable?

In theory, we can agree that the universe is made up of waves of energy, right? What makes waves? Vibration, frequency or basically, the passage of time. Without an element of time, there is no such thing as frequency or vibration or velocity or motion, for that matter.

The holographic model says that these fundamental vibrations are in harmonious relationships with all other vibrations in our universe. However, the holographic model is not solid, but held together by electromagnetic lines of flux that can stretch and move, like rubber bands. Local vibrations can vary from the mean, but maintain an average frequency consistent with the rest of the wave.

It is like an ocean wave, moving at the same overall rate, but the advance of individual parts of the wave varies according to what they meet on the beach.

So, how’s that for having it both ways?

Time is local, but it is its relationship with global time that traces its unique history. It is this variation in “time” that records fluctuations in “state” in holographic memory.

cheers,
jim

[insomniac]

I'm not the only one to connect the paranormal with QM, but this guy has some credentials, which i lack.

Dean Radin, PhD, is Senior Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2595842/03...bout-Telepathy

cheers,
jim

[Fredrick]

I am not sure I understood correctly Fredrick. But I did understand the concept of Unity that you were trying to explain. In your hypothesis, Unity consists only of matter, how would you then factor in energy and time?

It is in the hypothesis that we have unity, or — said differently — it is in the pre-Big Bang state that we have a condition that can be seen as singular. In our current state, there is no singularity, except that we can possibly see this in local situations (such as all colors uniting to deliver white or all colors combined delivering gray).

So, I cannot describe matter as a singular state, only the location from which matter derived was in some way singular. Energy and matter are directly linked, and energy is therefore also not based on singularity. Time is based on matter. Relativity is found in time being dependent on the own location, independent from other locations.

If it weren't for matter, we would not consider the phenomenon of space. Space is a phenomenon of nothing in that there is nothing there that we can point to; it is matter that sets the spatial framework.

In a religious delivery: if there is a divine level, then there is no single god, there can then only be many gods.

Naturally, believing is based on freedom, so anyone has the freedom to believe in a single god, but the universal reality is most clearly not based on a monotheistic model. The model is multi-positional. Only a delivery such as with Brahman in Hinduism can be proposed — with Brahman the distant not-here-and-now singularity. Kind of like an abstract.

That would make us view our past and present simultaneously. But we are not able to. Which means that there are separators between our past and present (probably the future as well).

No, the horse is put before the wagon. Time is based on the matter, not the other way around. No need therefore for separators, because matter is not separated.