An Idea

[Profpat]

I've been thinking and Nobody reminded me of the fact that the I Ching trigrams can represent binary numbers.

I believe we all know that 0 and 1, or if you will
__ - - can represent anything. Any script, any picture, any movie. And so with this binary concept, I would imagine that everything could be represented, including holograms and maybe even our sense of our own reality.

[N0B0DY]

For what it's worth, Pat, you might wish to confer with Fredrick if you're on good terms with him. If you're serious about publishing your work professionally, or to write a book based on a taiji-to-toe idea, he or Austin might be able to help out.

I like your idea because it attempts to convey what others seem to ignore, which is the cause for the observable effects in the universe. The whole of reality could be as simple as a computer, running as a substrate binary system, with increasingly complex languages programmed into molecular structures like life's DNA structures.

To me, why it gets fuzzy is because unlike a computer, I have come to the conclusion that the universe cannot act as a physical hardware system that processes the information. I'm interested in what you might uncover about the zero-dimensional wuji state and whether or not you can better express it.

Unlike MJA's inference, it doesn't have to refer to thinking all that is observable is nothing, but that both all and nothing don't exist. That the observable universe consists of abstract objects instead of concrete objects, and can only be said to exist asymmetrically; whereas absolute symmetry equals a non-existent verse, not an existent universe. Otherwise, if concrete, it would require a particular time and place to exist, and I don't think the universe conforms to such arbitrary measures.

[Drifter]

Life has also been compared to a dream. These are metaphors for the mind to "consider" no to just accept or deny and forget about, that would change nothin nor bring about any insight. And reading anything of the subject would just be a waste of time if not at least given some thought. When life is compared to a dream it does denigrate life as some sort of meaningless fantasy. Life is too wonderful to be called an "illusion", unless we whisper the word in amazement as we might when witnessing the most astonishing magic trick. What could be more magnificent than this glorious universe, in all its multifarious extravangence? Its awesome vastness and delicate detail. Its impersonal precision and intimate intensity. Its harsh necessities and lush sensuality. This dream of life is truly marvelous.
All we have to do is wake up and realize the real I, You, They, and Them are all the dreamer, participating in our own individual dream collectively called the waking state.
And as that dreamer we are the One dreaming him/her self as the many.
So Wake up, and have a good laugh.
What could be more 'Simple' than that?

Thanks,
But I think life is much more simple and easier than a "cosmic egg."
So is truth!

=
MJA

[Profpat]

Hi Nobody;

I don't think I can better express the concept of wuji.
I can't say it's nothing because that implies "things".
Being a theist I assume God is eternal, and was the creator of all things. But God by definition would be a
Person or Thing. I started my particle creation Idea with the Void, but included Brahman, Joy and Life, in that Void. As the link I posted said: " The name that can be named is not the true name " So, I don't know that the concept of wuji is capable of being expanded upon.

Fredrick and I get along fine. It was he that told me on one of my first post that I surely could mention God on his thread. Ever since I have great respect for him.

Austin, God bless him, was the one who was able to transport my pdf file to an actual post and made it easier to read in the process.

I actually welcome all input regarding my Idea, which includes not only you, but Austin and Fredrick, and all others.

Best to you,

Pat

[MJA]

Unlike MJA's inference, it doesn't have to refer to thinking all that is observable is nothing, but that both all and nothing don't exist. That the observable universe consists of abstract objects instead of concrete objects, and can only be said to exist asymmetrically; whereas absolute symmetry equals a non-existent verse, not an existent universe. Otherwise, if concrete, it would require a particular time and place to exist, and I don't think the universe conforms to such arbitrary measures.

Hi Nobody,

I see nature's reality, nature's truth, immeasurably concrete.
The only abstract unreal in my universe comes from others misguided thoughts as well as alas, many of my own.
Nothing is an example of an abstact thought that does not exist.
It is only those abstract thoughts that cloud the everything that truly is.
The asymmetry that you refer to in our universe is created by the imperfection of those abstract thoughts as well as the uncertainty and flaws of measure.
Many of those abstracts we have been taught to think.
Nature is much more symetrical, balanced, and equal than you measure or think.
By letting go of those imperfections, those abstract thoughts, those uncertain measurements or judgements,
allows a real true universe of simple natural beauty to appear.
Clear your thoughts of what you think you know and of what you have been taught,
then go outside and study nature's truth as if for the first time, and see what truly is.
One can only see truth with absolute clarity, with one's own nonabstract clear mind.
Don't judge or measure, only observe and be one with it all.
Be one with a universe filled with wonder and awe.
Nature is not an abstract dream, it is a true miracle to behold!

=
MJA

[Drifter]

Mankind has wrongly personified "God" as a person. It is a Being in the sense that it is that mysterious creative energy that has given rise to all things. I thought this was explained quite clearly in the T. o. n. thread but I guess it will always remain a vague and incomprehensible idea to many?
The Creative Force, Power, or Energy that is the uncaused cause or the fist cause of everything and all things was intentionally misinterpreted by the Roman Catholic church which helped finance the mighty Roman Empire.
Timothy Freke does quite an excellent expose of this in his book; The Laughing Jesus.
so mankind, including most of those associated witin the R. C. Church and most others perpetuate the falsification of the true records of Christ and exactly what that means.

Hi Nobody;

I don't think I can better express the concept of wuji.
I can't say it's nothing because that implies "things".
Being a theist I assume God is eternal, and was the creator of all things. But God by definition would be a
Person or Thing. I started my particle creation Idea with the Void, but included Brahman, Joy and Life, in that Void. As the link I posted said: " The name that can be named is not the true name " So, I don't know that the concept of wuji is capable of being expanded upon.

Fredrick and I get along fine. It was he that told me on one of my first post that I surely could mention God on his thread. Ever since I have great respect for him.

Austin, God bless him, was the one who was able to transport my pdf file to an actual post and made it easier to read in the process.

I actually welcome all input regarding my Idea, which includes not only you, but Austin and Fredrick, and all others.

Best to you,

Pat

[N0B0DY]

No, you're right, Pat. A non-existent state can't very well be expounded upon or expressed at all without causing confusion. As I had once mentioned to Fredrick, stating that "nothing" exists when what is meant by that is nothing doesn't exist - it is not an unknown "something" that exists - is a limitation in terms.

Yet, the mechanism for creating the dimensions from the point particles, and the mechanism for creating the point particles from the absolute frame of wuji, can be expounded in various ways. The point particles have been likened to any macroscopic object from a great distance, and we can deduce from this implication that the point particles - though infinitesimal - are multi-dimensional if their respective scales were increased.

The point where the mechanism for all of creation comes in is at the absolute center of the point particle - not the infinitely decreased scale - which would have to equate to the non-existent state of wuji in order for there to be any concept at all of dimensions. If you follow, from what I gather there is a time mechanism that breaks the absolute symmetry of the wuji state into point masses, charges, strings, membranes, etc..

What I tried to point out to MJA, is that it is only possible to observe what is observed - any proclaimed truth of nature is limited to this - and this limit is based on asymmetrical phenomena. The popularized noumenon, if ever observed, would be likened to the absolute unification of the light spectrum - it would be absolute light, but this light would not be white or black, which are variable shades of gray; it would have to be colorless and completely static because of its fullness. So I simply infer that this substanceless "substance" is non-existent. It can't exist in and of itself.

[N0B0DY]

Just to give perhaps a clearer example of what might not be too clear from my previous post regarding the center point of dimensions.

If we think in terms of "up and down" and imagine ourselves at the center of a vertical line between what we would observe as up and what we would observe as down, that center point as well would have its own center which would render another observable up and down reference. This could continue to infinity, but in order for there to be any possibility of up and down - without requiring verification - the absolute center would have to have no up and down reference frame; and this center of the absolute frame would have to (not exist) at the center of all relative dimensional measurements.

[Drifter]

Two but not Two.
http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/forums...52.aspx#356652

Actually MJA the wuji state is probably as close as we'll get to your absolute =. I guess it would be similar to the void. There is no differenciation. All is the same, NOTHING.

Now Mr. Smartie Pants for your wedgie.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Mankind has wrongly personified "God" as a person. It is a Being in the sense that it is that mysterious creative energy that has given rise to all things. I thought this was explained quite clearly in the T. o. n. thread but I guess it will always remain a vague and incomprehensible idea to many?
The Creative Force, Power, or Energy that is the uncaused cause or the fist cause of everything and all things was intentionally misinterpreted by the Roman Catholic church which helped finance the mighty Roman Empire.
Timothy Freke does quite an excellent expose of this in his book; The Laughing Jesus.
so mankind, including most of those associated witin the R. C. Church and most others perpetuate the falsification of the true records of Christ and exactly what that means.

Hi Drifter;

Maybe I should expand my thoughts on God.
To me God is Person, Place and Thing. Everything if you will.

To me only Love is real, and God is Love.

Now some may say what about suffering and pain, all part of Love. This is perhaps best expressed in Kahlil Gibran's beautiful essay on Love which is in his book THE PROPHET. A section of it is quoted below:

Kahlil Gibran on Love
When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

The complete poem/essay can be accessed at:
( http://www.katsandogz.com/onlove.html )

Light
Organized
Vibrating
Energy

Best to you,

Pat