[N0B0DY]

I would add, if I may, that wuji is representative of absolute stillness also; whereas taiji, the one or supreme pole, like the monopole of science, is unidirectional motion.

The taiji is not a thing, as was pointed out, but a process made possible only when wuji is included, and then the yin/yang principles arise.

If you think in terms of standing at the equator of the earth, there is a northerly direction and a southerly direction, but there is only one direction that you move towards. The wuji is the imaginary equatorial division, which is easy enough to realize is non-existent, yet nevertheless required for observable reality to manifest.

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Just to give perhaps a clearer example of what might not be too clear from my previous post regarding the center point of dimensions.

If we think in terms of "up and down" and imagine ourselves at the center of a vertical line between what we would observe as up and what we would observe as down, that center point as well would have its own center which would render another observable up and down reference. This could continue to infinity, but in order for there to be any possibility of up and down - without requiring verification - the absolute center would have to have no up and down reference frame; and this center of the absolute frame would have to (not exist) at the center of all relative dimensional measurements.

Hi Nobody;

I guess the universe doesn't have an up or down either, or a left or right. Yet you and I do. What a beautiful, wonderful world we live in.

Beat,

Pat

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY
Just to give perhaps a clearer example of what might not be too clear from my previous post regarding the center point of dimensions.

If we think in terms of "up and down" and imagine ourselves at the center of a vertical line between what we would observe as up and what we would observe as down, that center point as well would have its own center which would render another observable up and down reference. This could continue to infinity, but in order for there to be any possibility of up and down - without requiring verification - the absolute center would have to have no up and down reference frame; and this center of the absolute frame would have to (not exist) at the center of all relative dimensional measurements.

Hi Nobody;

I guess the universe doesn't have an up or down either, or a left or right. Yet you and I do. What a beautiful, wonderful world we live in.

Beat,

Pat

If you close your left eye and stare at the left margin of this page, you are not at all conscious of a large gap in your vision about four inches to the right. But, still staring with your right eye only, take your finger and move it along a line of print from the left margin to the right, and you wil see the top of it disappear into this gap and then reappear on the other side. This is due to a two millimeter gap on the nasal side of the retinal where optic nerve fibers are gathered together and leave the eye for the brain. The interesting thing about this gap is that it is not so much a blind spot as it is usually called; it is a non-spot. A blind man sees his darkness. But you cannot see any gap in your vision at all, let alone be conscious of it in any way. Just as the space around the the blind spot is joined without any gap at all, so consciousness knits itself over its time gaps and gives the illusion of continuity.

A better technique of noticing the blind spot is to take two pieces of paper about a half inch square, and while holding them about a foot and a half in front of you, fixate on one with one eye, and move the other piece of paper out on the same side until it disappears.

[Profpat]

Hi Everyone;

I thought I would post some additional quotes, that may relate to my Idea in post #40 above.

"There is geometry in the hummings of the strings. There is music in the spacings of the spheres"
Pythagoras

"Number is the ruler of forms and ideas"
Pythagoras

"Number rules the universe"
Pythagoras

"We have created over you seven heavens"
Koran 11

"The net of heaven has large meshes and yet nothing escapes it"
Tao #23

"...The kingdom of God is in the midst of you"
Luke 17-21

"I want to know God's thoughts. The rest are details"
Albert Einstein

"Peace, Joy, and Love to all"
Pat

[Bob Campbell]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

God can be said to create a great many things, good, bad and ugly, and I agree that the wuji state is not a comfortable state, primarily because it is non-existent. Though, some less-fortunate folks say that they are not too comfortable with this imbalanced world.

The wuji non-state is considered transcendental, if, say, heaven were to be an infinite distance away and you were to travel at an infinite speed, it would take an eternity to reach heaven. In other words, it would never be reached. Alternatively, even if an infinite distance away (from the heart and mind), the wuji state can get you there in no time at all.

It's very difficult to express, it's true.

Hi Nobody,

You may remember me from the rather extensive dialogue we had on my posted article, “Gravity & The Void: Tip of a Toe Iceberg.” I hope that you and Pat don’t mind if I offer a few summary comments here. As you may know, you can only be talking about the Void since there can only be One Void. It is the empty side of form, generally consistent with Hindu, Buddhist and Taoist thought but not necessarily with the various interpretations of the direct experience of the Void after the fact, or by writers on the subject who have not really had the experience. The Void can be accessed through intensive meditation exercises under supervised conditions. More rarely it can happen spontaneously in response to a prolonged intensive quest. It is a timeless, formless and boundless field of perfectly balanced quantized energy that spans and integrates the whole of space and time, the whole of history, everything that has ever happened in the phenomenal world of form.

One can think of the Void as a quantum sensorium, a master memory bank, since all experience comes to us in structured quantized episodes from atoms to taking a golf swing. The Void is awesomely experienced as pure being. It embraces and is one with all phenomenal being but normally without the slightest indication of anything specific. All form vanishes completely, the whole universe, even one’s own body, but not the pure conscious experience of being in wonder and awe. It is not accompanied with organic bliss or any organic feedback of any kind. It is a cosmic phenomenon. It is also amoral. There are no values implicit in the experience apart from the conscious experience of union with all being without distinction.

Since it transcends the integrated fabric of space-time in the physical universe this is sometimes interpreted after the fact as there being no-self, or no God, or seeing God face to face, or the universe being constructed from infinitesimal point particles, or the world of form is illusion, or whatever, but there is nothing in the pure experience of the Void to indicate any of these interpretations or a host of others that may appear in the literature. These are products of conjecture, not the result of knowing directly. Even a momentary experience of the Void can change a lifetime and it can be very hard to rationalize and meaningfully assimilate the experience, which accounts for many of the conjectural rationalizations after the fact.

On very rare occasions, in response to an especially intensive quest for truth and meaning, it is possible to actually see God directly face to face, but only at His discretion. This is extremely risky to one’s sanity and life. To quote the Shivapuri Baba, one needs a very strong mind with the emphasis on very. This experience is possible because of requirements associated with universal wholeness that implicates a Rift in wholeness between universal and particular aspects of being. Without this rift there could be no phenomena of any kind, no life, no realization, no being, no knowing even of oblivion. Seeing God is the primary realization of self and other, with that utterly indescribable universal aspect of self seen explicitly facing one as other than self. One is utterly without independent thoughts or feelings in seeing this universal Other.

On my website I call this System 2. He transcends and subsumes the Void and with it the whole of phenomenal experience in the entire universe. He is not constrained by limitations of space or time. As such he can employ the energies of the Void as he wishes to demonstrate whatever he wishes to the individual as a dumbstruck observer on a one-to-one basis. He can recall elements of the Void to form and assimilate them as he wishes to meaningfully communicate in the most profound possible sense without using a single word. He is the living manifestation of universal values: truth, love, beauty, goodness, friendship, mercy, compassion, justice. He is immaculate beyond description. He is the intuitive source of the moral disparity between self and other that we seek to bridge at the roots of perception. Seeing that confronts one in the most cataclysmic sense with the infinite dilemma of living in an eternal context, transcending one’s own birth and death.

The Void is generated along with Form by what I call Systems 3 and higher. This can be known directly in phenomenal experience only by transcending the Void at the discretion of God. But anyone with the patience to reflect deeply can see into these dynamics intuitively, since the System delineates the structural dynamics of the cosmic order in a non-linguistic way that embraces all possible structural varieties of phenomenal experience. The only requirement is that this must find confirmation in phenomenal experience of the natural world around us. This makes it a science of the cosmic order that can complement and more meaningfully integrate traditional approaches to science.

The cosmic order drives the creative process by the need to reconcile the Rift in wholeness and meaningfully integrate our experience. This is a fundamental dilemma that we all face. More fully realizing just this much can facilitate living more constructive lives.

Your idea post has certainly brought a lot of comment Pat. I hope this contribution will be helpful to some at least.

Best wishes,
Bob
www.cosmic-mindreach.com

[N0B0DY]

Yes I remember you, Bob, you're one of my favorite writers.

I've had a few experiences myself, but liken the void to the non-existent means of transcending all phenomena and phenomenal experiences, similar to the quantum jumps you propose in your book that require no transitional spacetime.

Have you transcended the void, and can you expound upon what exactly is directly experienced?

[Profpat]

Hi Bob;

I too had an OBE where i reached a state that I call the " I AM " Awareness. It was beyond our physical reality but not quite to the "Void", "Wuji State" and /or "Nirvania". I believe I was approaching that state but panicked when I began losing Awareness.

I also would be most interested in any experiences you may wish to share.

My Idea covers the range from strings to man.
From western physics to eastern philosophy to God.
I was trying to cover everything but have been accused of overreaching.

So your comments are always welcome here, as with anyone else.

I did not cover gravity which is necessary for a TOE.
I was informed that my Idea is more of a GUT. So any help regarding a reconciliation with gravity would be appreciated.

Best to all,

Pat

[Profpat]

A 4th DIMENSIONAL VENN DIAGRAM
( with 16 areas

















The above is a representation of a 4th dimensional Venn diagram, that has 16 areas. This would be similar to the hypercube that has 16 points.

A regular cube has 8 points, and a regular Venn Diagram has 8 areas.

One of the unique things of this Diagram is that if you were to color all positive numbers black you would have the Yang symbol of the Yin/Yang Diagram or the diagram of the TAO.

Perhaps the reader could find other things represented in it.

I did not add color or the I Ching binary symbols to it.

[Profpat]

Here is another without the 8th area overlapping:

[Drifter]

http://petitpub.com/labs/media/flash/3dcube/test04.php

The Venn diagrams didn't post Profpat?