[Profpat]

Hi Everyone;

Back to the central theme of this thread.

I appologize for being unable to post the 4th dimensional Venn Diagram that I mentioned, I'll have to work on that.

In the meantime if anyone has any comments regarding the I Ching trigrams and how it relates to my Idea, I'd love to hear from you.
They are listed on page 25 of this thread, posts # 242-245.

Any other question or comments regarding my Idea would be welcomed as well.

Best to all,

Pat

[Drifter]

My Apologies Professor.

I smile and whisper silently to my Self, "There You go again, just being me."

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Everyone; Back to the central theme of this thread. I appologize for being unable to post the 4th dimensional Venn Diagram that I mentioned, I'll have to work on that. In the meantime if anyone has any comments regarding the I Ching trigrams and how it relates to my Idea, I'd love to hear from you. They are listed on page 25 of this thread, posts # 242-245. Any other question or comments regarding my Idea would be welcomed as well. Best to all, Pat

[Bob Campbell]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY Yes I remember you, Bob, you're one of my favorite writers. I've had a few experiences myself, but liken the void to the non-existent means of transcending all phenomena and phenomenal experiences, similar to the quantum jumps you propose in your book that require no transitional spacetime. Have you transcended the void, and can you expound upon what exactly is directly experienced?

Hi Nobody,

Good to hear from you. Your above statement about the Void is quite accurate and consistent with a new methodology to the sciences that is complementary to traditional approaches, as introduced on my website. As I have mentioned before we need the whole picture before we can assemble the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. This can only be a methodology that provides direct intuitive insight into the structural dynamics of the whole cosmic order embracing all possible varieties of experience. So it can not itself be linguistic in nature, since it delineates the roots of meaning underlying language. Accurate language can emerge by the System of delineating the cosmic order finding direct confirmation in phenomenal experience of some kind. This is also needed to ensure the precise accuracy of tracing the cosmic order itself as well as the interpretation. It is clear from the empirical evidence and from the natural and fossil record that there is a very accurate fit to the extent that I have taken the System.

The essentials of this methodology were explicitly demonstrated by the supreme intelligence of the universe in a long series of experiences transcending the Void over many years. I have no idea as to why me in particular, except that I was a key figure on the defensive end of a politically hostile company takeover 40 years ago in Canada. I was digging very deeply into the roots of organization structure for several years and also have a strong science background. I was demanding answers, and I got more than I bargained for. It has taken a lifetime to meaningfully assimilate them. The first and most complex of these experiences that were explicitly orchestrated by God and transcending the Void is described in the website article "A Cosmic Insight."

It may sound fantastic but I can only emphasize that it is not possible to overstate the intensity or scope of such an experience. It is far beyond the wildest imagination. In subsequent experiences He manifested in a variety of ways and the experiential communication was always relevant, never capricious. I was not a religious person and still do not subscribe to any specific religious doctrine to the exclusion of any other or to the exclusion of science. Many decent ordinary folk find a kind of silent communion with God through meditation or prayer. And some scientists seek in a spirit of reverence for truth and not just to further their private ambitions.

From some of the things that you have said I sensed that you have had some experiences and I appreciate how difficult it can be to meaningfully assimilate them.

Very best wishes,
Bob

www.cosmic-mindreach.com

[Bob Campbell]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY "Yin and Yang then, are relative terms, not absolutes. Nothing is Yang in and of itself, it can only be seen as Yang in contrast with some other state, which is Yin."

Hi Pat and Nobody,

It is interesting that Yang and Yin are seen as active and passive principles of the creative process and all creation, represented by light and darkness. Neither can be known to the exclusion of the other. They can only be known through the interaction between them via an active interface between the inside and outside of things. They are not opposites but are mutually complementary. Opposites are mutually exclusive and derive from degenerate variants of how they work at higher levels of complexity.

The interaction of active energy processes across interfaces between a common universal active inside and a common universal passive outside is fundamental to the structural dynamics of the whole cosmic order. This is the way it has been demonstrated experientially to me. This derives from the fundamental Rift in Universal Wholeness that proliferates as subsumed levels of nested discrete Systems of order within itself that successively elaborate on the nature of Universal Wholeness and the rift that generates and sustains the whole creative process in balance. This is a very dynamic thing to explore and the transformations involved have a host of interacting relationships essential to the whole. Also the higher levels or Systems of elaboration on the primary yang and yin soon proliferate beyond the reach of human intelligence to ever decipher in a meaningful way. Nor is this necessary, since these higher Systems are transcended and subsumed by the lower Systems.

It is difficult for a human being to fully appreciate all of this at a single grasp. The trigrams and hexagrams of the I-Ching were originally used as tools of divination. By intuitively focusing on this method of representing the interactions of Yang and Yin, the insight of the oracle into specific problems was facilitated, in much the same way as meditating on a Mandala. But this was a dynamic and flexible process of divination by a specific human intelligence, not a fixed science in the public domain. Given the origins of the book of changes and how it was used, often in conjunction with the practice of casting fifty yarrow sticks, it is difficult to see how this can be translated into a pragmatic science, or even a fixed general interpretation of the human condition.

This isn’t intended to negate the value of the I-Ching as an intuitive aid. Indeed the practice of Chinese medicine and acupuncture can give quite remarkable results by the right practitioner. Here in Thailand they still cast sticks and read their fortunes in both Buddhist and Chinese temples, (often to try and win a lottery) and the Chinese Vegetarian Festival of the Nine Emperor Gods is quite an extraordinary phenomenon.

Best regards,
Bob

www.cosmic-mindreach.com

[N0B0DY]

You have put together quite a synthesis of eastern and western thinking, and like your mention of mutual inclusion, science and religion can walk hand-in-hand in the appropriate fashion. My interpretation of religion is here "religare" - to join again - as based on the ancient yogic systems of union, instead of being concerned with worshiping the gods. Scientifically, the absolute union can be equated with newtonian spacetime, comparative to the wuji state; the illusory relative functioning of the taiji can be equated with einsteinian spacetime; and the "mastery of maya" equated with the ultimate mastery of taiji functioning - the tao.

The sole purpose for my being here is to better express the correlation of the above with consciousness. Whereby the wuji is representative of absolute unconsciousness; the taiji of infinite subconsciousness; and the tao of the new consciousness arising from the transcendence of the taiji and the negation of the ego.

My method of madness can be likened to those pieces of the puzzle you mentioned, but popping up here and there instead of trying too hard to find the answers to everything. Like remembering something when you've given up trying to remember it. Similarly, meditative practices which attempt to generalize and crystallize the form of what is individualistic, I disavow because they can be expensive both financially and mentally. As you no doubt know there are certain experiences that allow us to realize how the universe overcomes its ill effects. For this reason, though I respect others' beliefs, I steer clear of divination as well because it has a tendency to often lead folks down a path of insanity or worse.

[Drifter]

I'm sure this is nothing new?
Anyway, here goes.

http://changingminds.org/explanations/learning/consciousness_competence.htm

http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newISS_96.htm

http://www.mentoringforchange.co.uk/snippets/energy.php#energy

[Drifter]

If memory serves, its been over 35 years now since I threw the yarrow sticks, when the sticks are tossed the results are left to chance.

The western equivalent, would be The Ouija board.

[Bob Campbell]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY The sole purpose for my being here is to better express the correlation of the above with consciousness. Whereby the wuji is representative of absolute unconsciousness; the taiji of infinite subconsciousness; and the tao of the new consciousness arising from the transcendence of the taiji and the negation of the ego. My method of madness can be likened to those pieces of the puzzle you mentioned, but popping up here and there instead of trying too hard to find the answers to everything. Like remembering something when you've given up trying to remember it. Similarly, meditative practices which attempt to generalize and crystallize the form of what is individualistic, I disavow because they can be expensive both financially and mentally. As you no doubt know there are certain experiences that allow us to realize how the universe overcomes its ill effects. For this reason, though I respect others' beliefs, I steer clear of divination as well because it has a tendency to often lead folks down a path of insanity or worse.

Hi Nobody,

I too steer clear of divination and similar practices that are not transparent. Consciousness has universal characteristics shared by all sentient creatures although our degree of access to universal consciousness is generally confined by our particular circumstances and the frameworks of understanding that we accept in one way or another. There is a large component of cultural conditioning involved that is generally not transparent and that tends to be egocentric. I think that meditation practices should be directed at accessing deeper levels of experience that transcend the personal ego.

A vital characteristic of the cosmic order is that it is isomorphic. The same pattern of structural dynamics keeps recurring in different disguises according to the circumstances. It doesn't provide final answers to anything but it can facilitate insight into the nature of phenomenal experience in more constructive ways. This helps to overcome our conditioning. As you say, the pieces of the puzzle start to pop into place more spontaneously. One can begin to see how this applies to the hard sciences also. There is a sense of harmony to it that is expressed through exploring all possible structural dynamics of the music without limiting its behavioral variety as we perceive it around us. Eighty-eight piano keys are enough to play an infinite number of tunes.

Regards,
Bob

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by Drifter I'm sure this is nothing new? Anyway, here goes. http://changingminds.org/explanations/learning/consciousness_competence.htm http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newISS_96.htm http://www.mentoringforchange.co.uk/...rgy.php#energy

Hi Drifter;

Thank you for the above links.
I do have a little problem with the last link however.

In that link they refer to the four types of personal energy as:

PHYSICAL-the quanity of energy
EMOTIONAL-the quality of energy
MENTAL-the focus of energy
and then they introduced a 4th type
SPIRITUAL-the force of energy.

That is where my problem rests. Suddenly you have Quadricity rather than Trinity.
As I'm sure you and others are aware I'm a great believer in Trinity, both in terms of my Idea, 3 quarks, as well as Mind, Body, and Spirit ( Emotion ), or if you will Mental, Physical, and Emotional.

I believe therefore that the force of the energy is the PERSON, using the dynamics of the three aformentioned energy sources.

Without getting to windy what do you think?

Best,

Pat

[Drifter]

I believe Professor the three, when inculcated, express as the fourth. The "wholeness" of the individual resonating as the one, where the unmanifest and the manfest come together, if you will. As in Self-Realization/Self-Awareness as That Creative Energy, at-one with it. Try to perceive it as a Gnostic and not as a Literalist?

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Drifter; Thank you for the above links. I do have a little problem with the last link however. In that link they refer to the four types of personal energy as: PHYSICAL-the quanity of energy EMOTIONAL-the quality of energy MENTAL-the focus of energy and then they introduced a 4th type SPIRITUAL-the force of energy. That is where my problem rests. Suddenly you have Quadricity rather than Trinity. As I'm sure you and others are aware I'm a great believer in Trinity, both in terms of my Idea, 3 quarks, as well as Mind, Body, and Spirit ( Emotion ), or if you will Mental, Physical, and Emotional. I believe therefore that the force of the energy is the PERSON, using the dynamics of the three aformentioned energy sources. Without getting to windy what do you think? Best, Pat