[Profpat]

Thank you Drifter for your response.

Personally, if don't mind, I think I'll interpret, " The wholeness of the individual resonating as the one ", as Person, ( Note the capital P )

Best,

Pat

[Drifter]

yes Professor, persona/personae, would be a whole different ball of wax, imho.

Originally Posted by Profpat

Thank you Drifter for your response.

Personally, if don't mind, I think I'll interpret, " The wholeness of the individual resonating as the one ", as Person, ( Note the capital P )

Best,

Pat

[MJA]

Dear Drifter,

"Hence the soul rejoices when it beholds the Truth and is happy when it is in harmony with the Good, but its highest experiences are those wherein it beholds the Supreme Beauty."

A Sage is one who shares the truth,
And you are truly one.

=
MJA

And now back to An Idea Professor, thanks for the interlude!

[Profpat]

I agree with you MJA, Drifter is truly a sage who shares knowledge and the truth.

[Drifter]

When you dream you appear to be a dream-persona in a dreamworld, but actually you are awareness and the dreamworld exists within you.
In the same way right now you appear to be a person in the life-dream, but actually you are awareness and the life-dream exists in you.

Lets look . . .

Right now you are experiencing your thoughts and the world of senses.

Do you agree?

We usually think of our thoughts as existing within awareness and the world as existing independantly of awareness. But is that right?

If you pay attention to what is happening right now you will see that you experience the world as a series of sensations: visual images, tactile feelings, background sounds, ambient aromas.

And sensations exist within awareness don't they?

Everything you are aware of exist within awareness, otherwise you wouldn't be aware of it!

So what is awareness?

Awareness isn't something within your experience. It is an emptiness that contains all you are experiencing.

That's right isn't it?

Become conscious of yourself as a spacious emptiness within which everything you are experiencing right now exists.

These printed words you are reading on this page exist within awareness.

These ideas reverberating in your mind exists within awareness.

And what you see and hear and touch and imagine exists within awareness.

The world exists within awareness.

You may appear to be a phsical body in the world, but actually you are awareness and the world exists in you.

If that comes as a shock - there's more.

You don't exist in time!

Look for yourself right now.

Time is the perpetual flow of ever-changing appearances which awareness witnesses.

Time exists within awareness.

Awareness is outside of time.

You are timeless awareness dreaming itself to be a person in time. Far out!

the world exists in you

Originally Posted by MJA

Dear Drifter,

"Hence the soul rejoices when it beholds the Truth and is happy when it is in harmony with the Good, but its highest experiences are those wherein it beholds the Supreme Beauty."

A Sage is one who shares the truth,
And you are truly one.

=
MJA

And now back to An Idea Professor, thanks for the interlude!

[Profpat]

Hi Bob;

I would like to discuss a bit further the importance of the I Ching.

You may have already viewed my post #211 on page 22 above, but allow me to expand on those comments.

It was Carl Jung who used the I Ching principles, to develope his idea of synchronicity vs. causality. Or if you will a probablistic universe vs. a deterministic universe.

It appears the large things in the universe display cause and effect, yet at the quantum level, this does not appear to be the case.

It was Einstein who said " I don't believe God plays dice with the universe ". Well at the quantum level it seems like he does.

My Idea deals with the proton/neutron which is at the quantum level. And I believe the I Ching with it's underlying concept of synchronicity is very applicable. It also deals very well with the metaphysical aspects of man as mentioned in post #211.

Now you have every right in your belief to be a bit dismissive of the I Ching and how it could relate to human dynamics, and I'm not trying to change those beliefs. I thought however I would expound a little more on the subject for the readers.

I Ching - the eight trigrams. Picture

Best to all,

Pat

P.S Any and all questions regarding my Idea or the I Ching are of course welcome.

[N0B0DY]

I remember you asking of Bob to elaborate on how gravity fits into the picture, Pat. If you've checked out his site, there is a link to it that gives a basic idea of how it might relate to your idea. Whenever I see void or wuji, it catches my eye because it can pertain to the absolute state that interests me. Yet it appears that there can be differing interpretations of both.

If we are considering the three concept, and consider the three fundamental forces - electric, strong and weak - gravity can be thought of as not an additional force but rather a pseudo-centrifugal, gravito-magnetic effect. There are implications that I gather from your site, Bob, if I'm not mistaken, that are suggestive of light being equated with space. The discontinuous massive structures depicted, if in the form of magnetic moments, would be consistent with gravity being proportionate to mass. I liken the "creative" nature of gravity to a backward motion of time, equaling mass, and the light space you propose would be consistent with the decay of massive particles allowing observations of forward time.

Essentially, light and gravity would be synonymous, but we only observe light - photons, if you will - and never gravitons because they are confined as observed mass, observed only as the effects carried as light. The three consciousness correlations can be: consciousness with forward time, light, stable structures; subconsciousness with both forward and backward time, light and gravity, virtual structures; and unconsciousness with the absolute center of particulate structures.

[Profpat]

Hi Nobody;

I too think there is a relationship between gravity and radiation. One being attractive ( gravity ) the other repulsive ( radiation ). They both follow the inverse law, though that is do to geometry. At the beginning of the big bang all things were repelled in the form of radiation, which I believe are the 1 dimensional vibrating strings. Some making quarks, which I believe combined making up our luminous matter.
Others made up quarks which did not combine accounting for our "dark matter". Still others are still open strings which would make up our "dark energy"

The problem I have with the reconciliation is the spatial inflation and expansion.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

A little additional information regarding I Ching and the 8 fold path.
Transforming Energy ~ Inner TrainingMind and body are not separate, they are two perspectives on our total being. One is yin, the other yang, and the training and development of one influences the other... The Yijing (I Ching) is an ancient Chinese text exploring the symbolic representation of yin and yang. It is a rich source of wisdom that describes how we can best live in harmony with the forces that shape life. It has been used for thousands of years as a guide in times of uncertainty.

[Bob Campbell]

Originally Posted by Drifter

I believe Professor the three, when inculcated, express as the fourth. The "wholeness" of the individual resonating as the one, where the unmanifest and the manfest come together, if you will. As in Self-Realization/Self-Awareness as That Creative Energy, at-one with it. Try to perceive it as a Gnostic and not as a Literalist?

Hi Pat

There is a clear distinction between spiritual experience in an organic or emotional sense and spiritual experience in a cosmic sense that transcends and subsumes the physical realm. Perhaps this is the distinction that Drifter is making here.

Regards,
Bob