[Profpat]

How about a string instrument representation than, rather than a wind instrument? And a little more color please.

Thank you.

Pat

[dipayankar]

Hi Profpat... Good explaination. Though I am not of the view that something could be generated out of nothing, but probably sometime all the matter and the energy had a begining. I respect the ancient civilizations like the Chinese, Indian or the Mesopotamian, however I think it is beyond human capability to exactly come ot with a logical explaination as to how the matter and energy came into existance..

Originally Posted by Profpat

Hi Dipayankar;


What is there before the outset? And how does something come from nothing? Those are the deep philosophical questions posed by the diagram on the left.
The initial emptiness, the empty circle, is called Wuji in Chinese (the characters on the right). In this context it is translated as "without polarity". Strictly, there is nothing, not even the boundary of the circle, but in making it the object of discussion we symbolize it. Of course we should not, because "nothing" isn't, because the name that can be named is not the true name. But we need it as a point of contrast with what is.

If you go to post #240 you'll see a further discussion on this matter and a link to the internet regarding it.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Hi Profpat... Good explaination. Though I am not of the view that something could be generated out of nothing, but probably sometime all the matter and the energy had a begining. I respect the ancient civilizations like the Chinese, Indian or the Mesopotamian, however I think it is beyond human capability to exactly come ot with a logical explaination as to how the matter and energy came into existance..

Hi Dipayankar;

You're right something from nothing transends logic.
Even if you are a steady stater or believe everything in the universe was compacted into a little ball or point, you're still stuck with the question as to how and why.

Being a theist I accept the fact the God created it.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth and the Earth was without form and Void" ( Genesis 1 )

I believe heavens being not capitalized and plural could refer to gamma radiation, or strings, or some other fundamental substance. And indeed at that time the Earth was without form and void. A concept if you will.

Just my thoughts.

Best to you,

Pat

[N0B0DY]

I think that the universe existing within, or expanding into, non existence transcends logic as well.

Also, isn't Genesis 1:1 translated with a singular heaven and plural gods, as though pluralistic relative forces are responsible the creation of heaven?

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

I think that the universe existing within, or expanding into, non existence transcends logic as well.

Also, isn't Genesis 1:1 translated with a singular heaven and plural gods, as though pluralistic relative forces are responsible the creation of heaven?

There are two heavens mentioned one plural and not capitalized, another singular and capitalized.

Again I believe the plural "heavens" might? refer to strings or gamma radiation.

The singular "Heaven" is the firmament (dome) seperating the waters (waves). This I believe is the proton. If you go back to post # 40 you'll see the I Ching "Heaven" is in the white center.

And yes God does talk to himself like I do. I believe that may be the Trinity.

Pure Speculation on my part Nobody. Pure Speculation.

Best to you,

Pat

[N0B0DY]

Interesting way to look at it, Pat. I agree that Gen. 2 refers to generations created by the generator, as each of the successive generations are based upon the former eras - Heavens, Adam, Noah, etc., and radiation can be considered as one of the first.

Not sure what you mean by God talking to himself though, if light and sound are synonymous, light would be static as God.

[Profpat]

Hi Nobody;

I said to myself, self I said, now you really made a mess of things Pat, and we're going have to fix it.

[Profpat]

I should add further, that is my trinity of mind, body and spirit.

Me, My Self, and I.

ME (Mass and Energy) is the Body
I ( Intelligence) is the Mind
Self ( The little elf inside me) is the Spirit.

We have some wonderful conversations. It's when we start arguing and lose the argument that I begin to worry.

Did I mention the asylum that I would probably qualify for entrance into before?

Best to all,

Pat

[dipayankar]

I respect your thoughts, but the thought that comes to my mind is who created God??

Originally Posted by Profpat

Hi Dipayankar;

You're right something from nothing transends logic.
Even if you are a steady stater or believe everything in the universe was compacted into a little ball or point, you're still stuck with the question as to how and why.

Being a theist I accept the fact the God created it.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth and the Earth was without form and Void" ( Genesis 1 )

I believe heavens being not capitalized and plural could refer to gamma radiation, or strings, or some other fundamental substance. And indeed at that time the Earth was without form and void. A concept if you will.

Just my thoughts.

Best to you,

Pat

[Drifter]

Man has a tendency to create a God in his image, an anthropomorphic projection no less.

As has been said, "I don't believe in the god you don't believe in either."

This is the "God" nobody believes in and, rightfully so. But when ones true essential nature is recognised, then God is realised, and as that essential nature, we are all God.

But there is no God one can see, God is that in us that is the Seeing. Except the nature of God can be known, get the picture?

As Awareness we are one, and "That is God".

Tat Tvam Asi.
Sat Chit Ananda.

I Am your's We are one in That/Him.

Originally Posted by dipayankar

I respect your thoughts, but the thought that comes to my mind is who created God??