An Idea

[Profpat]

Wow. Looks impressive, short, to the point, & no wasted words. I'll need to look at this closer BEFORE I've had a beer. Might even comprehend some of it, but it may be out of my league even sober. I'll try,tho'.
Jeff

Well thank you Jeff.

I'm sure it's not out of league, you being into systems, indeed it's right in your discipline.

My Idea is conceptual and not detailed ( I wouldn't be able to comprehend the details ), but it is consistent, I believe, with the latest physical theories.

So please share any comments or questions, either at this thread or in a PM.

Again Thanks and best to you Jeff,

Pat

[Benedict Broere]

Hello Profpat,
I've looked it over... and over...
I'm sure this kind of modelling might lead to the real thing, but I'm also sure Witten & Co have considered this before, and similar models. You need real expert-advice, and I agree, you need to elaborate all this, make it more clear. Also, and in general this seems to be a blind spot around here, you might consider the phenomenon 'emergence'. There is no such thing as explaining for instance human behaviour out of quarks. Nature says 'no'.
But any way... bravo! Real creative thinking!

[Drifter]

My idea about the structure of atoms is stated in the attachment. Please take a look and let me know about your thoughts.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs

http://home.mindspring.com/~bayflower/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/QuantumConsciousnessFullText.doc

Metaphors for the mind-brain unity@
http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Educ/EducList.htm

In Gods stillness all things are created.
Cosmogenesis;
"By this term "Creation" we do not mean the sudden emergence of something where nothing previously existed, but a change from a condition of non-manifestation and latency into a condition of manifestation and activity. A physical atom, in it's normal state, is electrically neutral, for the positive charge within it's nucleus is balances by the negative charge in it's electrons. When this state is disturbed by the gain or loss of an electron, then we have set up either a positve or negative electrical condition and electrical phenomena may be produced. That which was non-manifest becomes manifest.
He finds at His Hand, both differentiated Spirit and differentiated matter, but each of them in a state that would be recognizable by our consciousnes. As We are concerned, the root-spirit and root-matter on which the Diety will act to bring His system into being.
In other words, it is the root-substance into which He will introduce His own "creative" processes by disturbing it's balance, thus causing what we call "manifestation." He will "breathe" into it the breath of His creative energies."

" When 'Awareness'(Stillness, Latent Potentiality-Father) knows Sensation(Matrix or Womb of Nature-Mother), Consciousness(Active Awareness-Relative-Son) is born."

Matter is the vehicle for the manifestation of the soul on this plane of existence and the soul is the vehicle on a higher plane for the manifestation of spirit, these three are a Trinity synthesized by life, which pervades them all. Three simultanoeus existences, three planes, three transitional/transcending quasi manifestations, read; Be-ings.

Love

[Profpat]

Well, I want to thank both of you, for your time to look at my Idea and for your comments.

Benedict;

I thought the emergence would be in the entity's awareness of itself. And thank you for bringing up that most important point. I looked up from your wiki link;

An emergent behaviour or emergent property can appear when a number of simple entities (agents) operate in an environment, forming more complex behaviours as a collective. If emergence happens over disparate size scales, then the reason is usually a causal relation across different scales. In other words there is often a form of top-down feedback in systems with emergent properties. The processes from which emergent properties result may occur in either the observed or observing system, and can commonly be identified by their patterns of accumulating change, most generally called 'growth'. Why emergent behaviours occur include: intricate causal relations across different scales and feedback, known as interconnectivity. The emergent property itself may be either very predictable or unpredictable and unprecedented, and represent a new level of the system's evolution. The complex behaviour or properties are not a property of any single such entity, nor can they easily be predicted or deduced from behaviour in the lower-level entities: they are irreducible. No physical property of an individual molecule of air would lead one to think that a large collection of them will transmit sound. The shape and behaviour of a flock of birds[1] or shoal of fish are also good examples.

I wish Ed Witten rejected this Idea, I think it might be a little too metaphysical for most physicists.


Drifter;

I perceive you are very metaphysical and spiritual, which i think is a good position to be.

Best to both of you, and again thanks,

Pat

[Profpat]

I forgot, I liked the youtube video a lot Drifter, thanks.

[Drifter]

I forgot, I liked the youtube video a lot Drifter, thanks.

Thank you my Friend,

Your work is inspiring.

I started down the path of studying, The Kabalistic Tree Of Life, there are a lot of similarities in what you have presented and the Ain Soph etc. in the explainations of the spheres and colors within "The Tree Of Life" concept, I Googled most of the info I have on it, you might find it interesting as well.

I would also recommend Itzak Bentov's "Stalking The Wild Pendulum" as-well-as "A Brief Tour of Higher Consciousness" same author.
Very humorous at times and very learned.
"Worth the price of admission." =O)

Each of us must find our own way "Home . . ."


Best wishes Prof.

[Drifter]

I forgot, I liked the youtube video a lot Drifter, thanks.

Seems forgetfulness is a human trait . . .

I forgot to mention the movie about "That" . . .

It is Opening soon in a Theatre within you and "It" will "Be" in Panavision . . . =o)

couln't resist the quip.

[Drifter]

Hello Profpat,
I've looked it over... and over...
I'm sure this kind of modelling might lead to the real thing, but I'm also sure Witten & Co have considered this before, and similar models. You need real expert-advice, and I agree, you need to elaborate all this, make it more clear. Also, and in general this seems to be a blind spot around here, you might consider the phenomenon 'emergence'. There is no such thing as explaining for instance human behaviour out of quarks. Nature says 'no'.
But any way... bravo! Real creative thinking!

BP,
Just wanted to thank you for the term "Holistic Persception", never heard it used before and found it's definition quite interesting indeed. (ever had an o.o.b.e.)

"Interconnectivity . . ."
"
Logic is a very elegant tool, and we've got a lot of mileage out of it for
two thousand years or so. The trouble is, you know, when you apply it to
crabs and porpoises, and butterflies and habit formation---you know, to all
those pretty things, logic won't quite do.
It won’t do, because, that whole fabric of things is not put together by
logic. You see, when you get circular trains of causation, as you always do
in the living world, the use of logic will make you walk into paradoxes.
Just take a thermostat, a quite simple sense organ(instrument), yes?
If it's on, it's off; if it's off, it's on. If yes, then no; if no, then
yes.
Kinda like they lie (logically).
Light on yet?
Yes-no-yes-no-yes-no. You see, the cybernetic equivalent of logic is
oscillation. Heraclitus knew that, and so did Loa Tzu, and so do the trees
over there, logic won't do for them.
So what do they use instead, Metaphor, yep Metaphor.
That's how the whole fabric of mental interconnections hold
together. Metaphor is right at the bottom, of Being alive. -Gregory
Bateson [Steps to an Ecology of Mind]
In an age characterized by fragmentation and overspecialization, Bateson
challenged the basic assumptions and methods of several sciences by looking
for patterns and for processes beneath structures. He declared that
relationship should be the basis of all definition and his main aim was to
discover the principles of organization in all the phenomena he observed,
"the pattern which connects, as he put it.
For me this ideation (showing again the oscillation of the universe/logos)
is the same as 'That', found/discovered, in the canon of Mahayana Buddhism
known as Indras Net.
Scientia es Potential

Last night, as a Man, I dreamt I was a Butterfly,

or, now as a Butterfly I dream I am a Man?

~sine~
Drifter

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[Profpat]

God bless you Austin;

YOU DID IT!!

Thank you, thank you, and thank you again.

Best to you Austin,

Pat