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[Profpat]

Some thoughts on gravity.

Electro/magnetic is a force of both attraction and repulsion. Opposites attract, like kind repel.

Gravity is attraction only. Where is the repulsion? I submit that gravity becomes repulsive when it becomes too compacted. Then it burst forth things or a universe.

At our beginning point of the universe "Things" came out. You can call these things, FS, strings, heavens, radiation, things, points, whatever.

This is gravity's repulsive force. And so our universe is still expanding " repulsive force " ; and yet the attractive part of gravity is keeping the galaxies together " attractive force "

More thoughts

Pat

[AntonioLao]

I submit that gravity becomes repulsive when it becomes too compacted.

I think cosmologists call it negative pressure.

[AntonioLao]

betwwen two very near binary stars, how would their individual photons react?

Since the energy of photons is affected by gravity according to general relativity using the idea of space-time curvatures instead of physical forces and the quantum field theory of gravity are the gravitons, the photons can react with each other by exchanging gravitons.

[Profpat]

I think cosmologists call it negative pressure.

Thanks Antonio,

So is this negative pressure caused by the massive compactification? Could it be viewed as anti gravity?

Best,

Pat

[Fredrick]

Well, that's the million dollar question is it not? Perhaps it's a question that is best unanswered for it's the purpose which seems to drive life. If the answer is out there, "God knows," it's beyond our understanding.

For what reason would we -not- be here?

Well, Meem, that is really not even an attempt to answer the question in words. Granted, the question is about a difficult complex subject matter that seems draped in obscurity. Yet there are parts we can state with certainty.

One aspect, for instance, that we know of with certainty is that we are here and not there. While this may seem like an open door, this is a door that does not close. That alone tells us something about this reality.

Another certainty we can place here is that the change from that first state to our current situation required a lot of action. It required a move from a previous state onto a state of diversity. Whether the previous state was ever one, we cannot know, but to have this explosion of diversity occurring, we must have started out with a first situation that moved from a non-conflict to a conflict situation. There is no other way about it; conflict must have occurred for our universe to come into being.

Then, we also know with certainty that this conflict lead to the situation where a threshold was passed, because we are here, and not there. There is a permanancy to our universe (though not to ourselves) in that energy is never lost.

Yet what we also know is that all energy is moving outwardly, so the conclusion is justified that our universe came from a concentrated location.

While moving over the threshold, matter incorporated not only the experience of the threshold, but most likely also the energy to some extent of the previous state; plus it started to exist in an environment in which this already diversifying matter started to play according to their own rules. Spatially, the original conflict became an enormously complex expression at a different level.

Even if there were a god at the beginning in the first state, then this god can no longer be whole; such god must contain a hole.

[Fredrick]

Some thoughts on gravity.

Electro/magnetic is a force of both attraction and repulsion. Opposites attract, like kind repel.

Gravity is attraction only. Where is the repulsion? I submit that gravity becomes repulsive when it becomes too compacted. Then it burst forth things or a universe.

At our beginning point of the universe "Things" came out. You can call these things, FS, strings, heavens, radiation, things, points, whatever.

This is gravity's repulsive force. And so our universe is still expanding " repulsive force " ; and yet the attractive part of gravity is keeping the galaxies together " attractive force "

More thoughts

Pat

Thank you, Pat, for showing me more on how you consider the first beginnings. If our universe started out from a concentrated energy, and when it surpassed the materialization threshold, then it would be logical to expect such energy to still have those properties, no?

Gravity (and you know I can view a universe in which gravity is nothing but a phenomenon existing in between the forces) is that direction that energy can move towards: in and out. As we all know, out can take place for a real long time, but in is automatically limited. There is an end to in, and that is a universal law.

To be honest, I consider gravity to be nothing more than the expression of the outward movement of matter. It is not each other that matter is attracted to, the closeness of matter on the same trajectory away from point X make the properties of gravity occur.

Do you have further thoughts on the beginning, including comments on what I wrote to Meem.

[Profpat]

Hi Fredrick;

I like the cyclic universe theory myself. This allows for the universe to be both created yet eternal.

Just before the big bang, when density was approaching infinity, BANG, conflict, negative pressure, inertia, what ever and all that compressed energy shot off in all directions. Which is why I believe the universe is a shell, ( sphere ) the surface area of the expansion. Within this universe VOID, outside this universe VOID. By making it spherical it becomes a closed universe which will collapse on itself right at starting point ( big bang ) and repeat throughout eternity. ( If there is an end to the in then it has to go out. )

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

If energy expanded in all directions after the big bang wouldn't it have to take on a closed universe shape?

[Profpat]

Out of the area of science into the world of faith and belief, from the Catholic Catechism:

Baltimore Catechism No. 1

LESSON FIRST: ON THE END OF MAN


1. Q. Who made the world?
A. God made the world.


2. Q. Who is God?
A. God is the Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things.


3. Q. What is man?
A. Man is a creature composed of body and soul, and made to the image and likeness of God.

6. Q. Why did God make you?
A. God made me to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world, and to be happy with Him for ever in heaven.

13. Q. What is God?
A. God is a spirit infinitely perfect.

14. Q. Had God a beginning
A. God had no beginning; He always was and He always will be.

15. Q. Where is God?
A. God is everywhere.

16. Q. If God is everywhere, why do we not see Him?
A. We do not see God, because He is a pure spirit and cannot be seen with bodily eyes.

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