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How about this thread for discussing where matter came from (The TOE Resides Below the Level of Space):

http://www.toequest.com/forum/theory...vel-space.html

[dipayankar]

I dont think we have any space for awareness in Science..

Originally Posted by Drifter We are made of space-dust. When gases[aethers] in the void came together combining elements[compounds] into a critical mass. The rest is hisStory. you base reality on materialism, you'll never get it. try basing reality on awareness, you may begin to see the light.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by dipayankar I dont think we have any space for awareness in Science..

This is more of the us vs. them mentality.

If it weren't for relative conscious awareness, there wouldn't be a you to think of anything. Think about that. You can't seem to pull your head, out of the it-perspective.

Science is based in awareness.

[dipayankar]

The 'me' in myself is a result of the neural activity of the frontal brain. There is no materialism involved in this...

Originally Posted by Drifter This is more of the us vs. them mentality. If it weren't for relative conscious awareness, there wouldn't be a you to think of anything. Think about that. You can't seem to pull your head, out of the it-perspective. Science is based in awareness.

[Profpat]

Hi All,

We know about absolute zero, what about absolute HOT. If the "big bang' is correct and everything we see ( luminous matter ) and everything we don't see (dark matter and energy), was all compacted into a little ball or point; then the pressure and temperature, must also have been absolute.

Maybe that should be our starting point of discussion?

Best to all,

Pat

[dipayankar]

The temperature of such a dense object should touch infinity or absolute as stated. I guess like 0K there has to be an upper limit to temperature where the electrons and atoms are self destroyed by the internal vibrations..

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi All, We know about absolute zero, what about absolute HOT. If the "big bang' is correct and everything we see ( luminous matter ) and everything we don't see (dark matter and energy), was all compacted into a little ball or point; then the pressure and temperature, must also have been absolute. Maybe that should be our starting point of discussion? Best to all, Pat

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by Drifter This is more of the us vs. them mentality. If it weren't for relative conscious awareness, there wouldn't be a you to think of anything. Think about that. You can't seem to pull your head, out of the it-perspective. Science is based in awareness.

Hi Drifter;

Just for you to ponder is the allegory or metaphor of Athena bursting forth from the forehead of Zeus.
Metis, Athena's mother, was eaten by Zeus to avoid any offspring, in an attempt to avoid prophecy. Metis represented knowledge and wisdom.

Also you have the fable of Zurvan ( Zoroastrianism ),
whose head burst open to create Ahura Mazda ( Good, Order, Knowledge ) and his twin Angra Mainyu ( Evil, Chaos, Ignorance ).

Both are metaphors, but is there an element of truth in them?

Best to you,

Pat

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by dipayankar The 'me' in myself is a result of the neural activity of the frontal brain. There is no materialism involved in this...

This actvity[ethereal] is a priori to materialism[ephemeral].
Why then do you consider matter as the basis of reality?

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar The temperature of such a dense object should touch infinity or absolute as stated. I guess like 0K there has to be an upper limit to temperature where the electrons and atoms are self destroyed by the internal vibrations..

Thats what I was thinking Dipayankar. The protons and neutrons wouldn't be able to exist in such a condition, and therefore what would come out of it would be David's Fundamental Substance or what I would call strings, a one dimensional entity ( Or very high energy gamma radiation ).

This of course is still consistent with my Idea.

Best to you,

Pat

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by Drifter This actvity[ethereal] is a priori to materialism[ephemeral]. Wht then do you consider matter as the basis of reality?

Hi Drifter;

Just my thoughts on your question; Because it's real.

Weren't you in agreement with Nobody that thoughts are not "Real Things"?

Best to you my wise and knowledgeable friend,

Pat