An Idea

[Profpat]

A summation of the various creation stories may be in order. The following information came from Wikipedia which may be accessed at:
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_belief )
This site is 45 pages long and so only the more accepted ones are summarized below.

egyptian: (one of the many)
Ptah was the eternal and everlasting God, and He spoke the universe into existence. He later became identified with Osiris who will judge the dead. Akhenaten later made Aten the monotheistic God.

eastern:

TAOISM:

With Tao, nothingness gave rise to existence, existence gave rise to Yin/Yang, and Yin/Yang gave rise to everything.

ZEN:

Everything and nothing are all interconnected, inseparable. a whole.

BUDDHISM:

“ Conjecture about the world is an unconjecturable, that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness and vexation to anyone who conjectured about it” AN IV.77

HINDU:

Existence is governed by the Trimurti. Brahma ( The Creator), Vishnu (The Sustainer ), Shiva (The Destroyer).
They believe in cyclic time not linear. Nature and all of God’s creation are manifestations of Him.

JAINISM:

The universe was not created nor will it ever cease to exist.

JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY:

By command, God created things such as light, space, land, plants, and animals, and culminates on the sixth day in creating man in God’s own image and likeness.

MORMONISM:

Physical reality (Space, matter/energy) is eternal. The Creator is an architect who constructed the universe out of the demiurge.


SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.

Peace, Joy and Love to all,

Pat

[dipayankar]

Hi ProfPAt
Would strings be able to withstand such a huge temperature or would it still breakdown to even more fundamental objects? Actually if we understand how the cap on the lower limit is put, we would understand if there is a higher limit for temperature..

Thats what I was thinking Dipayankar. The protons and neutrons wouldn't be able to exist in such a condition, and therefore what would come out of it would be David's Fundamental Substance or what I would call strings, a one dimensional entity ( Or very high energy gamma radiation ).

This of course is still consistent with my Idea.

Best to you,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi ProfPAt
Would strings be able to withstand such a huge temperature or would it still breakdown to even more fundamental objects? Actually if we understand how the cap on the lower limit is put, we would understand if there is a higher limit for temperature..

You pose interesting questions Dipayankar.
Here are my thoughts. Absolute zero means no movement and therefore no heat. Absolute hot, therefore would probably mean absolute movement, perhaps your question is a key to explain how there was spatial inflation and how space could move faster than light.

Here is a post describing the first second after the "big bang". The entire post is located at:
( http://www.geocities.com/lungdoctor_...ory.htm?200718 )


The First Second<SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">. One microsecond after the creation of the universe the temperature was about 10 trillion degrees K – about a million times hotter than the center of the Sun. The glow of radiation would have been intense and uniform in all directions, and there would have been a bright fog that limited vision to a small fraction of a centimeter. The high-energy gamma rays that made up most of the radiation at that time were so energetic that they were capable of pair production. Pair production is the production of matter from energy whereby the collision of two photons yields a particle and its antimatter counterpart. Therefore, one set of products of pair production is an electron and a positron (which is as massive as an electron but has a positive charge). Other possible pairs would be a neutrino and an antineutrino, and many others. Pair production is one of the most spectacular consequences of Einstein’s famous equation; E=mc2. For two photons to produce a pair of particles, these photons must have energy at least equal to mc2, where m is the combined mass of the particle and antiparticle, and c is the speed of light. A microsecond after the universe began, the gamma ray photons present had sufficient energy to produce protons, neutrons, electrons and their antiparticles.

PS SORRY THE URL DIDN"T WORK

[Profpat]

Hi Everyone;

On page 45 post #446 Is a summation of various creation stories.

On page 39 post #338 Is Plato's and Aristotle's thoughts on first cause.

Here are the thoughts of Parmenides and Heraclitus on the subject.

PARMENIDES:
Thought the world is "One Being". Unchanging, ungenerated, indestructible whole. For him movement and change are simply appearances of a static, eternal reality.

HERACLITUS:
Thought everything was always changing or in flux. "This entails the coincidence of opposites" meaning that things are both the same and opposite each other at the same time.
Heraclitus is the first to the word kosmos for world order, which he believed ever was and ever will be, not created by god or man.

That about sums up the best ancient thoughts on or universe.

The different thoughts seem very similar to todays diverse opinions on our universe.

Best to all,

Pat

[Graybeard]

Hi Everyone;

On page 45 post #446
On page 39 post #338

Pat ... page numbers are only relevant to the displayed number you have set in your profile

cool bananas ... greg

[Profpat]

Pat ... page numbers are only relevant to the displayed number you have set in your profile

cool bananas ... greg

I'm confused Greg, on the bottom of the page for posts it says page 45 of 45, or 44 of 45, etc. That is the page I'm refering to. Is that wrong?

Best,

Pat

[Graybeard]

I'm confused Greg, on the bottom of the page for posts it says page 45 of 45, or 44 of 45, etc. That is the page I'm refering to. Is that wrong?

Pat ... this reply ... number 452 ... is on page 12 ... for me.

In my profile I have chosen to display 40 posts per page, others may have chosen differently ... so page numbers have no 'absolute' reference ... only post numbers do ... LOL

cool bananas ... greg

[Profpat]

Pat ... this reply ... number 452 ... is on page 12 ... for me.

In my profile I have chosen to display 40 posts per page, others may have chosen differently ... so page numbers have no 'absolute' reference ... only post numbers do ... LOL

cool bananas ... greg

Thank you sir appreciate your help

[Drifter]

Hi Everyone;

On page 45 post #446 Is a summation of various creation stories.

On page 39 post #338 Is Plato's and Aristotle's thoughts on first cause.

Here are the thoughts of Parmenides and Heraclitus on the subject.

PARMENIDES:
Thought the world is "One Being". Unchanging, ungenerated, indestructible whole. For him movement and change are simply appearances of a static, eternal reality.

HERACLITUS:
Thought everything was always changing or in flux. "This entails the coincidence of opposites" meaning that things are both the same and opposite each other at the same time.
Heraclitus is the first to the word kosmos for world order, which he believed ever was and ever will be, not created by god or man.

That about sums up the best ancient thoughts on or universe.

The different thoughts seem very similar to todays diverse opinions on our universe.

Best to all,

Pat

Lao Tzu said the Tao that can be spoken is not the Tao, than went on to write a 4000 word discourse of what the Tao is/isn't... go figure.
That's why the Buddha stated: "Thus have I heard."

Nothing I can tell you is true, you have to find out for your self.
It is the ineffible.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/CHPHIL/LAOTZU.HTM

[Profpat]

Great link Drifter, The Tao is a classic