[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Profpat Physically, Mentally, or Spiritually, Drifter?

Mind, Body, and Spirit are one.
Three 'individual' aspects to that Oneness.
Like facets on a Diamond.
What do you think Profpat?

[Great ~second~ question Professor]

[Drifter]

Do you subscribe to the proposition that all mankind are created equall?

Though some are born[physically] without the attribute of sight, speech or hearing, some with only one arm or leg, some with two heads conjoined, two seperate minds, two body's, two individual consciousness's, relatively speaking, in one form, is the Awareness conscious and present in these whom are handicapped any different than the consciousness within another without said handicaps?

What I'm suggesting is that we concentrate [focus] on our essential nature [as one] and not our personal natures as individuals?

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Drifter Do you subscribe to the proposition that all mankind are created equall? Though some are born[physically] without the attribute of sight, speech or hearing, some with only one arm or leg, some with two heads conjoined, two seperate minds, two body's, two individual consciousness's, relatively speaking, in one form, is the Awareness conscious and present in these whom are handicapped any different than the consciousness within another without said handicaps? What I'm suggesting is that we concentrate [focus] on our essential nature [as one] and not our personal natures as individuals?

We all assume we are different, there is no doudt or question about that but what is our common bond, our unity, our oneness, our Isness.
What exactly is That all about?

Let's get to the root of That?

[dipayankar]

Yeah sometimes the greatest discoveries are by people who do not know much about the subject.

Originally Posted by Profpat You realize of course that you are posing questions to another person who is also illiterate in science. But maybe two blind searchers, with perhaps the help of others, both sighted and blind, will be able to figure out that the elephant is an elephant, and not a tree or snake or fan. Best to you Dipayankar, Pat

[N0B0DY]

"But maybe two blind searchers, with perhaps the help of others, both sighted and blind, will be able to figure out that the elephant is an elephant, and not a tree or snake or fan."

I reckon it's a rope, Pat, which from a distance would behave as a string. Though as a starting "point" I would propose the non-dimensional type.

Similar to ZPE, counter-intuitively extending from both ends of the Energy Spectrum, the infinitesimal points covering the World Sheet or Field link both ends of the Spectrum to any and every other point. Sort of like a quid pro quo ex nihilo.

[MJA]

Originally Posted by Drifter I propose: "Who Am I", as a starting point.

I am nature, and the universe is nature, therefore we are naturally one and the same.

Is that the start or finish point,

Are they we all not one and the same?

=
MJA

PS: Descartes sends his love!
Be careful of his kiss, he's French you know.

[N0B0DY]

Good point, MJA, we're all the same. I'm nobody, and nobody = MJA = Descartes = French Kisser...

[Profpat]

Nobody I am impressed you have captured my image and likeness.

[Profpat]

Hi Drifter;

The reason I asked Mind, Body, or Spirit is in the Here/Now there was no physical body. ( Illusion ).
There was the "I AM", but as you pointed out probably the Ego. That also was being erased, and it was off to oblivion, perhaps to Nirvana, but I didn't get that far. Maybe at that level it's just spirit?

However, when dealing with the physical universe of protons/neutrons, planets, stars, galaxies and such, it may be best to leave the Person out of this since we are the observer.

I'm not sure thats possible but I would like to try.

Yes we are all equal.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Perhaps we need to start off with some assumptions, though I recognize that when you do you make an ass out of you and me. ( ASS U ME ).

1) Can we assume a 3 dimensional physical universe?

2) Can we assume that the basic building blocks of the universe are protons, neutrons, electrons and photons?

3) Can we assume the "big bang"?

I guess I don't want to reinvent the wheel, and I personally accept the three basic aforementioned assumptions.

Now I have no problem with nondimensional point particles starting this, but eventually we need to get to three dimensionality.

I'm leaving time out of this at this point.

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