An Idea

[MJA]

I propose: "Who Am I", as a starting point.

I am nature, and the universe is nature, therefore we are naturally one and the same.

Is that the start or finish point,

Are they we all not one and the same?

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MJA

PS: Descartes sends his love!
Be careful of his kiss, he's French you know.

[N0B0DY]

Good point, MJA, we're all the same. I'm nobody, and nobody = MJA = Descartes = French Kisser...

[Profpat]

Nobody I am impressed you have captured my image and likeness.

[Profpat]

Hi Drifter;

The reason I asked Mind, Body, or Spirit is in the Here/Now there was no physical body. ( Illusion ).
There was the "I AM", but as you pointed out probably the Ego. That also was being erased, and it was off to oblivion, perhaps to Nirvana, but I didn't get that far. Maybe at that level it's just spirit?

However, when dealing with the physical universe of protons/neutrons, planets, stars, galaxies and such, it may be best to leave the Person out of this since we are the observer.

I'm not sure thats possible but I would like to try.

Yes we are all equal.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Perhaps we need to start off with some assumptions, though I recognize that when you do you make an ass out of you and me. ( ASS U ME ).

1) Can we assume a 3 dimensional physical universe?

2) Can we assume that the basic building blocks of the universe are protons, neutrons, electrons and photons?

3) Can we assume the "big bang"?

I guess I don't want to reinvent the wheel, and I personally accept the three basic aforementioned assumptions.

Now I have no problem with nondimensional point particles starting this, but eventually we need to get to three dimensionality.

I'm leaving time out of this at this point.

Feedback?

[Profpat]

Hi ProfPAt
Would strings be able to withstand such a huge temperature or would it still breakdown to even more fundamental objects? Actually if we understand how the cap on the lower limit is put, we would understand if there is a higher limit for temperature..

Hi Dipayankar;

The only thing more fundamental than a one dimensional planck length string would be a point.

Now maybe before the "big bang" when everything was in the little universal ball or point, were other points. But once the explosion I thought the points would stretch out to little tiny strings or lines. I don't know of anything between a dimensionless point and a 1 dimensional string. There is nothing in between is there? No missing link.

Keep up the questions.

Best to you,

Pat

[N0B0DY]

I think the link between the points and strings might be the "time" you had said you were omitting at this point.

If the points literally stretched, like you said, then the unified epoch would expand into a membrane and any line of extension along the membrane would consist of wriggling strings.

Conversely, strings could be likened to EM waves, and the points would ride the waves like photons; of which interactions would form the point masses of electrons and positrons.

[Profpat]

Great points about the point Nobody.

You are right of course, time and motion have to be reinstated in our conversation if we are talking about a process which takes time.
My mistake for trying to defer it to another time. The time is right to bring in time, which began with the "big bang".

Could you expand the discussion on the interactions forming the electron/positron. I'm a little confused on that point.

Best,

Pat

[N0B0DY]

Pat,

Based on the experiments done at SLAC, going as far back as mid 90’s, I propose everything in nature consists solely of variable forms of light. High-energy photons create particle pairs, and particle pairs annihilate into photons. They are essentially the same particles, or wavicles if you prefer.

I also opt for a photon-graviton interaction because gravity is explained in the process. An adequate analogy might be whirlpools forming in water from a linear force through the water. The inertial forces resulting due to acceleration create the two gravitational masses.

[Profpat]

You're right mass=energy, but there is a distinction between mass, ( protons, neutrons, electrons ), from photons, a 2 dimensional transverse energy wave.
But the proton, for all purposes, is an eternal massive particle, and it along with the neutron and electron is the true building block of our luminious universe.

I don't know if saying everything is a form of energy helps us to understand our universe. I think classifications of the differences is an aid to our understanding of our environment.

It's like saying everything is a thing; true philosophically, but distinction helps to understand how trees are different from people, who are different from dogs, who are different from cats, etc.