[Profpat]

God bless you Austin;

YOU DID IT!!

Thank you, thank you, and thank you again.

Best to you Austin,

Pat

[Benedict Broere]

Hello Profpat,
There is nothing metaphysical about 'emergence'. It is something you meet when looking at complex processes. And its saying that cartesian analytical method isn't sufficient for explaining researchable reality: we also have to look at the phenomena themselves - and not just their components, and components-components, etcetera - in trying to explain them, their properties, their behaviour, their different ways of being.

[Drifter]

[quote=Tina;34979]

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Tina; You'll have to access my Idea at;( [url] [size=2]But please do, when you can, as I would love to hear your comments. No trouble accessing. Had a quick read through to get gist before go back and study in more detail. But quantum maths (if that's what it is?) know nil so leaves me unable to understand these sections fully. 1) Scenario: 1 proton, 1 neutron and 1 electron meet one day and they decide that if they worked together they could achieve everything. So they formed a particle and have remained in this alliance ever since. Why does the alliance adhere...while all known alliances break down eg chemical change. 2) If constant change (I Ching) how are you defining " constant" "change"?

I think it's also known as The Theory of Chaos?
Only the "Nothing" stays the same and contains all things.
Everything is Realities Nothing.

[Drifter]

[quote=Profpat;35009]

Originally Posted by Tina Hi Tina; Two good questions: 1) Science says the quarks stay together because of " gluons " . My model doesn't require them, I have them confined by their own superposing and interweaving. But you are right my model is a compound model requiring smaller particles to stay fixed. The evidence is that the proton cannot be destroyed, why this is I'm not sure, but you have a good question. 2) The I Ching is called the Book of Changes. It's a divination text which tries to give one guidance, as to where one is going, and how to best prepare for those changes. And so the changes are constantly going on. Now to the physical the quarks ( gluons ) are constantly changing from one color to the other. 3) Thank you for taking time to read and comment on my Idea. Best to you, Pat

In the model of the double helix and on the grander scale the torus there is a involution/convolution vortex that brings and maintain the adherency, it could also be surmised as the law of attraction I suppose. just a thought . . .
the microcsm is a reflection of the macrocosm, in a holographic universe.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by cosvis Hi Pat and Tina, I am not too familiar with the quark theory but I just wonder if the gluons are not gravitational strings. I do not think they are the elusive graviton particles because I believe they do not exist. So the gluons would not be visible particles but they could still exist and have a gravitational effect on the quarks. My Toe theory of the physical universe, as you know Pat, is based on the theory that the photon is a stable, preserved virtual mass particle, moving constantly at the speed of light, and consisting of two equal but opposite preserved forces and energies, gravitational and kinetic. The photon also known as a quantum particle is more basic or fundamental than the quark particle because I think it is the most basic stuff of the universe. I think the quark particle consists of quantum particles and this could be in a blackhole formation. What do you think? I am sure that the quantum particle must have something to do with quarks? Yours Cosvis.

for your perusal . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLvO...related&search

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qt5ltxDK80&mode=related&search=

[Drifter]

[quote=Drifter;36943]for your perusal . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLvO...related&search

disregard this link = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qt5l...related&search=[/quote]

second link video has been removed. sorry abot that.
havent figured out to edit my posts yet.

[Drifter]

Hey Profpat,
you may find this interesting

http://www.cubicao.tk/theory/principleopposites.html

D.

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by Drifter http://www.cubicao.tk/theory/principleopposites.html D.

I like it! It's easy to understand.

[Profpat]

Hi everyone;

Austin once again a big thanks for getting my Idea out of the bowels of adobe.

Thanks Drifter for that link, I put it in my bookmark because I find it to be very interesting. I think your post on youtube is really great. you should check it out guys, it's like a blue man group creation story.

Benedict;
What you giveth you also taketh away. I was so pleased with your emergence, possibly explaining awareness; and then you taketh away. OK.

I have to admit it is a quantum leap from proton to consciousness.

Here are my thoughts on the matter.

Physically I think it's on pretty solid ground.
Strings, 3 quarks, color force, proton.

But I wanted a theory of everything, from big bang to man. I think, what is the essential part of my theory, is trying to explain the dynamics of man. Not only physically, but also mental and emotions, had to be addressed.
To do that required going metaphysical, and the I-Ching fit perfectly into the Venn diagram.

Notice how the 3 primary colors, are represented by the 3 sons, who make the 3 complementary colors, represented by the three daughters. Notice also how the females are made from the RIB structure of the males. In the center is the I-Ching trigram for Father- Heaven. And as I pointed out in my Idea the mathematical octants matches perfectly with the I-Ching trigrams.

Given this, I adopted the I-Ching into my model and Bang, I have a sense of family now, and emotions and images ( imagination ).Now I have the makings for a man.

So back to my Idea:

Physically I eliminated the 8 gluons, I don't need them, and I believe the electron is a projection from the proton, causing a ripple or field in space. Additionally, it's my belief that the strong and weak force can be explained by the positive/negative areas on the proton/neutron. When you stack them too much they reach their limit on bonding and will discharge an alpha particle.

And so you move, see, hear, touch, taste, smell.
But your movement is limited, like the quarks, and you are confined to your body, like the quarks.

We have a very old foundation in our evolution called the family. ( All mammals have this ).
And we have emotions and so on, where does that come from. My theory is that everything you are right now Benedict, was present when those protons which make up your body right now, were formed at the creation. Yes, as you know the protons in your body are the original, right from the big bang.

So I'm not sure how awareness came to be, any more than I know how strings came to be.
I guess this is where my faith and beliefs come to play.

BTW I agree, I have to dress it up and get it too some theoritical physicist who may look at it.

I also have this post on emergence and a web link if you are interested in the entire article from a couple of professors from, Lehigh University.
Reduction and Anti-reduction

A particle and property metaphysics tempts us to think that the only real causality is found at the micro-particle level. If so, then anything that is a resultant of those particle interactions working their way within some initial or boundary condition constraints is most fundamentally due to those particle causal powers and particle interactions. Everything else is epiphenomenal to that, and can be eliminatively reduced to it -- perhaps with the caveat of the cognitive limitations of human beings to handle the complexities required. In this cognitive view, higher levels are necessary considerations only because of their relative cognitive simplicity for humans, not for any metaphysical or even physical reasons.
The link is: ( http://www.lehigh.edu/~mhb0/emergence.html )

Best to all,

Pat

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by sillysally I like it! It's easy to understand.

Well thank you Sally, I think I may have complicated it in the prior post however. And I like you even though you are a mystery.

Best Pat