An Idea

[Profpat]

We need Leskey to moderate here.

I guess old Prof went to sleep.

The dance recital is over here now. Awards tomorrow. The ladies want me to go to some big party now and drink and laugh and have fun.

The old prof does go to bed early but wakes up early also. Good morning everyone.

Best to all,

Pat

[Profpat]

"the LORD God formed man from the dust of the earth." Genesis 2

Well I guess the one thing we all agree on is that we are here and came from the earth. No space aliens needed.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hydrogen-Helium Abundance

And so nature follows the simple. 95% dark stuff (IMO strings and quarks) 5% visible almost all of it hydrogen, helium, the simplest atoms. Only a trace of heavier elements. And then we get life I wonder what goosed nature to get that started? The most complex structure EVER in the whole Universe. It's a good thing life isn't part of the physics TOE, because the scientist would NEVER figure that out.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

DNA MODEL

So what are the odds? 1 in a hundred billion or 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power?

What are the odds for God?

P.S. I do have to admit the DNA is a beautiful complex yet simple structure. Whether I contemplate the universe, or the earth, or the DNA, or the proton, I'm in awe, but nothing like the AWE as when I look into the mirror. Vanity of vanities all is vanity.

[Graybeard]

Iit doesn't matter what the odds are .... If there is a probability, and you have given a figure for this ... then in an eternity the probability MUST come up ??

Simple Math ??

cool bananas ... greg

[Profpat]

Iit doesn't matter what the odds are .... If there is a probability, and you have given a figure for this ... then in an eternity the probability MUST come up ??

Simple Math ??

cool bananas ... greg

Hi Greg;

Given the fact that life has happened I'd say the odds are 100% for it to happen.

The real question is how? Again nobody knows, but if I was a betting man, which I am, I'll bet God did it.

Probabilities are far greater that He did it.
I did a little research on the internet about the odds for Gods existence and it seemed pretty good from 50/50 to one mathematician's estimate of 67% probable to the following:






From Times Online

November 3, 2008


The bookie's bet on God

Odds on the existence of God have shortened to 4-1


Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent







OK so you and Austin are logical decision makers. You figure, your best odds from Dawkins 1/100,000,000,000. And I have a theory which we'll say may be 50/50 possible.

Also you are making the same mistake as Austin, you don't have an eternity for this to happen, you have 500,000 years and really a lot less because the early earth was too hot and inhospitable for this to happen. And so in a VERY SHORT TIME on a evolutionary scale, the living cell appeared, the most complex and wonderous structure. Think about it Greg 1/100,000,000,000 or Hoyles estimate 1/10 to the 40,000th power, or Sagan's 1/10 to the 2,000,000,000 for you specifically.

It just doesn't figure, sorry.

Best to you,

Pat

[Graybeard]

I don't know how to make it any simpler Pat ... you are an accountant ?

If a coin has a 50% chance of coming up 'tails' then, statistically, it will come up an equal number of times as 'heads' does over a given sample run.

Easy ?

If something has a probability, no matter how unlikely, and you have an unlimited sample run ... then it must come up as often as the probability decrees ... why is this complicated ?

The only way to prevent it is to give it NO probability at all. But you have already quoted its probability ... therefore it is a certainty to occur ?

ergo: a Universe.

Who said life originated on earth, we know its been here for 4 billion years, but not that it formed here ??

cool bananas ... greg

[Fredrick]

I am glad you like my axis ponder too Fredrick as fluid dynamics considered wobble a rotating tube packet axis in my observations and i see no reason for the whole beginning not to have a motion through the dark matter/void picture.

Kind regards graham

I like your axis ponder a lot, Graham. Yet having a universe with an axis? I do not consider that possible. In my view, if there were such a movement, matter would absorb that movement fully, incorporating it at its own axes (plural). If matter was slung out from a spinning universe, that matter would not be spinning on the universal spin, but only on its own spins.

[Fredrick]

0D...................1D.............2D............ ....3D................4D......

I know you are capable of handling the math of this sequentional dimensional expansion. Well I believe our physical reality mimics it. You just don't start out at 3D any more than you start out in 4D. Rather there is a logical and difficult build up to the 3D, which is our visible universe. I believe most of our universe is 1D and 2D and that is why it is dark. If everything is in 3D our entire universe should be visible, but 96% is dark.

Best,

Pat

Nice visual, Pat, but only a visual. Where is the evidence?

[Fredrick]

0D...................1D.............2D............ ....3D................4D......

I know you are capable of handling the math of this sequentional dimensional expansion. Well I believe our physical reality mimics it. You just don't start out at 3D any more than you start out in 4D. Rather there is a logical and difficult build up to the 3D, which is our visible universe. I believe most of our universe is 1D and 2D and that is why it is dark. If everything is in 3D our entire universe should be visible, but 96% is dark.

I do not think I am capable of showing you how this is a fallacy, Pat. I have tried and noticed my attempt were not successful. There is no dimensional expansion, so there is no way possible sequencing it either. Here, we cannot use hierarchical frameworks, for there is nothing to hierarchive.

Austin is vested in this idea as well, and I have no powers to wake him up.