An Idea

[Drifter]

For whats it's worth:

Matter is the vehicle for the soul on this plane of existence, and the soul, on a higher plane of existence, is the vehicle for the manifestation of the spirit.
These three are a trinity synthesized by life which pervades them all.

The soul has a dual nature. When it is assosciated with matter [ensouled and mortal] it is mired in its descent into its lower nature or aspect and knows life and death, when it is beholding of the spirit in its ascention it is one with the beloved and knows immortality no death, that what has never known birth can never know death. Lofty? Unbound? Free? Your guess is as good as mine.

Is this enlightenment for the mind/body "personal/individual biological unit' or the awakening of the soul to its higher nature, "essential nature/collective wholeness unifying principle within all humanity?

Lover and Beloved become One, the consumation of mortal life inculcating immortal Life.
[or visa versa, depending upon your point of postulation, i.e. the Christ state]

Daemon and eidolon:



"This “other being” is the other person in ourselves – that larger and greater personality maturing within us, whom we have already met as the inner friend of the soul. That is why we take comfort whenever we find the friend and companion depicted in a ritual, an example being the friendship between Mithras and the sun-god. This relationship is a mystery to the scientific intellect, because the intellect is accustomed to regard these things unsympathetically. But if it made allowance for feeling, we would discover that it is the friend whom the sun-god takes with him on his chariot, as shown in the monuments. It is the representation of a friendship between two men which is simply the outer reflection of an inner fact: it reveals our relationship to that inner friend of the soul into whom Nature herself would like to change us – that other person who we also are and yet can never attain to completely. We are that pair of Dioscuri, one of whom is mortal and the other immortal, and who, though always together, can never be made completely one. The transformation processes strive to approximate them to one another, but our consciousness is aware of resistances, because the other person seems strange and uncanny, and because we cannot get accustomed to the idea that we are not absolute master in our own house. We should prefer to be always “I” and nothing else. But we are confronted with that inner friend or foe, and whether he is our friend or foe depends on ourselves.

You need not be insane to hear his voice. On the contrary, it is the simplest and most natural thing imaginable. For instance, you can ask yourself a question to which “he” gives answer. The discussion is then carried on as in any other conversation. You can describe it as mere “associating” or “talking to oneself”, or as a “meditation” in the sense used by the old alchemists, who referred to their interlocutor as aliquem alium internum, “a certain other one, within” This form of colloquy with the friend of the soul was even admitted by Ignatius Loyola into the technique of his Exercitia spiritualia, but with the limiting condition that only the person meditating is allowed to speak, whereas the inner responses are passed over as being merely human and therefore to be repudiated. … But a real colloquy becomes possible only when the ego acknowledges the existence of a partner to the discussion…. (p. 132)
[It is about transformation] “It is my own transformation – not a personal transformation, but the transformation of what is mortal in me into what is immortal. It shakes off the mortal husk that I am and wakens to a life of its own; it mounts the sun-barge and may take me with it”. (~ C.G. Jung, “Concerning Rebirth”, The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious, C.W. volume 9i. Page 134)

Interesting is it not.
http://cheatingtheferryman.blogspot.com/2007/12/daemon-eidolon-dyad-according-to-c-j.html




I see "body" being equal to *biological* and that being equal to *soul* --i.e. completely interchangebvale-- and pertains to feeling/emotions as induced by and including, chemical interactions, hormones any electromagnetic fields etc........



"Spirit" has as many, if not more definitions in dictionary than any other word I'm familiar with, except maybe "soul" . I envision "spirit" as having both and energyless metaphysical aspect as "intention" --e.g an intention of goodwill or badwill which is more complicated than quick and simplistic black-white example-- and,

a energetic physical aspect e.g. alcohol is a "spirit" and a young colt kicking its heels high is said to have a lot of energy( very energetic ).

[Profpat]

Hi Dipayankar;

I'm going have to turn this over to a higher power.

Neutralino, if you are out there in cyber space could you help Dip and I out?

Can a photon be a dimensionless point particle?

Best,

Pat

[rybot]

Matter is the vehicle for the soul on this plane of existence, and the soul, on a higher plane of existence, is the vehicle for the manifestation of the spirit.
These three are a trinity synthesized by life which pervades them all.

Hey Drifter, I'm not sure where, or if, the "soul" fits into Pats "idea".

Either way Drifter, where I differ with your assessment, and the specifics of your comment above, is that I equate "soul" with a biological and a biological is much more complex than any known aggregate of "matter" having no known access to all the metaphysical complexities associated with the most complex biologicals( humans ) and to some degree all less complex biologicals

The soul has a dual nature. When it is assosciated with matter [ensouled and mortal] it is mired in its descent into its lower nature or aspect and knows life and death, when it is beholding of the spirit in its ascention it is one with the beloved and knows immortality no death, that what has never known birth can never know death. Lofty? Unbound? Free? Your guess is as good as mine.

Drifter, I agree that "soul" has dual aspects/nature, in that, similar to "spirit" and all words and/or assigned 'things' there is always the eternal dualistic and complementary metaphysical( energeyless ) and physical( energetic )

Is this enlightenment for the mind/body "personal/individual biological unit' or the awakening of the soul to its higher nature, "essential nature/collective wholeness unifying principle within all humanity?

Drifter, I believe "higher nature" and "enlightenment" are states of consciousness, that we can for time, however brief that may be, time and time again in a lifetime of human.

It is metaphysical spirit, that searches out such states of consciousness, and labels that search and the resultant actions thereof, as 'spirituality'.


The most generalized and complex triune/trinuty is that of:

1) metaphysical beyond and its subcatagories

2) spirit and soul combination as a biological, and at its most complex, as human complex and its most complex --barring the whole "U"niverse complex-- interaction between the metaphysical and physical

3) physical matter as fermions and bosons and any accumulating aggregates thereof.

Rybo

[dipayankar]

And is there a way that the same photon can be converted into 3D without addition of mass??

Hi Dipayankar;

I'm going have to turn this over to a higher power.

Neutralino, if you are out there in cyber space could you help Dip and I out?

Can a photon be a dimensionless point particle?

Best,

Pat

[Drifter]

I'll reply within you post, I hope you don't mind

Matter is the vehicle for the soul on this plane of existence, and the soul, on a higher plane of existence, is the vehicle for the manifestation of the spirit.
These three are a trinity synthesized by life which pervades them all.

Hey Drifter, I'm not sure where, or if, the "soul" fits into Pats "idea".

I was addressing the post not the thread.
[my apology if due Profpat]

Either way Drifter, where I differ with your assessment, and the specifics of your comment above, is that I equate "soul" with a biological and a biological is much more complex than any known aggregate of "matter" having no known access to all the metaphysical complexities associated with the most complex biologicals( humans ) and to some degree all less complex biologicals

'You' are observing from the perspective of your lower nature as a biological entity only. You are much more than that, did ye but know it.

Keep it simple, the soul has a dual nature.

The soul has a dual nature. When it is assosciated with matter [ensouled and mortal] it is mired in its descent into its lower nature or aspect and knows life and death, when it is beholding of the spirit in its ascention it is one with the beloved and knows immortality no death, that what has never known birth can never know death. Lofty? Unbound? Free? Your guess is as good as mine.

Drifter, I agree that "soul" has dual aspects/nature, in that, similar to "spirit" and all words and/or assigned 'things' there is always the eternal dualistic and complementary metaphysical( energeyless ) and physical( energetic )

Man is energised by the soul, it is the creative spark that animates the mind/body organism, at death it withdraws from matter.

Is this enlightenment for the mind/body "personal/individual biological unit' or the awakening of the soul to its higher nature, "essential nature/collective wholeness unifying principle within all humanity?

Drifter, I believe "higher nature" and "enlightenment" are states of consciousness, that we can for time, however brief that may be, time and time again in a lifetime of human.

So is our lower nature a state of 'relative' consciousness, relative to what, relative to the 'things' in that field. [the concept of 'original sin' was the initial 'idea of seperation', from the whole, that we are not born with as infants but 'acquire', culturally and conditionally.]

It is metaphysical spirit, that searches out such states of consciousness, and labels that search and the resultant actions thereof, as 'spirituality'.

The etheric[noumenon] side of the ephemeral[phenomenon] duality, seeks its source. aka "spirituality'. [Google "Etheric Double"]

The most generalized and complex triune/trinuty is that of:

1) metaphysical beyond and its subcatagories

2) spirit and soul combination as a biological, and at its most complex, as human complex and its most complex --barring the whole "U"niverse complex-- interaction between the metaphysical and physical

3) physical matter as fermions and bosons and any accumulating aggregates thereof.

LIGHT and shadow. DAEMON and eidolon.

Soul [ego/formless/mind] and body [form] body, mind, soul.
Gross, subtle, and causal.

Physical, emotional, mental, states realms, kingdoms, planes of being.

Rybo

It is refreshing to come into contact with another studious mind.

[Profpat]

Hi Rybo;

Thank you for your post. You are right and I stand corrected, it would not be a spherical shape. Rather it would be a geodesic dome and geodesic sphere shape. Thank you for your insight. I do believe they would be at 90 degrees of each other due to the equality of the complementary opposites of the domains.

I don't believe it would be Plato's octahedron, in that I believe those are linear lines and not curved. Otherwise it would be the same. I would be very interested in further information of the 3 Great Circles you mentioned.

Again thank you,

Pat

[Profpat]

I'm going to expand on my thoughts regarding trinity.

To me it's essential to have a complete ONE. Whether that is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; or Mental, Physical, and Emotional, to make up the dynamics of ONE PERSON.

The universe needs TIME, SPACE and MOTION to make up it's existence.

The three primary colors of light, RED, GREEN and BLUE are necessary to make up our spectrum.

Three Quarks are required to construct the Proton/Neutron.

ME, MYSELF and I make up Pat. ( ME, mass/energy, the radiating body ) ( I, the I AM the mind ) ( SELF the spirit which resides in the person )

Now if trinity is needed physically ( Time,space, motion ) ( 3 quarks ) ( 3 primary colors ) I would think this trinity permeates all things.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Best to all,

Pat

[dipayankar]

But what about the four basic forces? And the eleven dimensions of string theory?? They are not in trinity. we perceive only three dimensions, is there a limitation with the earch creatures??

I'm going to expand on my thoughts regarding trinity.

To me it's essential to have a complete ONE. Whether that is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; or Mental, Physical, and Emotional, to make up the dynamics of ONE PERSON.

The universe needs TIME, SPACE and MOTION to make up it's existence.

The three primary colors of light, RED, GREEN and BLUE are necessary to make up our spectrum.

Three Quarks are required to construct the Proton/Neutron.

ME, MYSELF and I make up Pat. ( ME, mass/energy, the radiating body ) ( I, the I AM the mind ) ( SELF the spirit which resides in the person )

Now if trinity is needed physically ( Time,space, motion ) ( 3 quarks ) ( 3 primary colors ) I would think this trinity permeates all things.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Best to all,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi Dipayankar;

I guess no higher authority is going to handle this one so maybe you and I will have to try to figure it out.

First it's an interesting thought that you posed, that a photon is a DIMENSIONLESS point particle. I have been researching and thinking. Here is my understanding regarding light and the photon.

Light, the wave, is a 2 dimensional transverse wave. It is electromagnetc radiation. It doesn't create it. It is it. Being a TWO dimensional transverse wave it has THREE dimensional characteristics, namely Length, Width, and Heigth.

Photon, the particle or " bundle " of light, is massless and has been refered to as a ghost particle. That doesn't mean it's a dimensionless point particle, that would be as I said before, would be NOTHING. rather it like light is created when mass is converted to energy. It is the EMR.

Now when light is viewed through a prism you get the spectrum.

I believe the photon and light wave are one and the same. The 2 dimensional transverse wave is bundle by what appears to be particles again because they have L,W, and H.

It's been nice discussing this with you but I do wish Neutralino or somebody else who knows the ANSWER, not their own speculation would check in on this one.

Best to you,

Pat

[dipayankar]

Me the moron.. well one small question Prof.. do you believe a dimensionless point can exist and be stable??? Neutralino and Dave, this questions to you as well...

Hi Dipayankar;

I guess no higher authority is going to handle this one so maybe you and I will have to try to figure it out.

First it's an interesting thought that you posed, that a photon is a DIMENSIONLESS point particle. I have been researching and thinking. Here is my understanding regarding light and the photon.

Light, the wave, is a 2 dimensional transverse wave. It is electromagnetc radiation. It doesn't create it. It is it. Being a TWO dimensional transverse wave it has THREE dimensional characteristics, namely Length, Width, and Heigth.

Photon, the particle or " bundle " of light, is massless and has been refered to as a ghost particle. That doesn't mean it's a dimensionless point particle, that would be as I said before, would be NOTHING. rather it like light is created when mass is converted to energy. It is the EMR.

Now when light is viewed through a prism you get the spectrum.

I believe the photon and light wave are one and the same. The 2 dimensional transverse wave is bundle by what appears to be particles again because they have L,W, and H.

It's been nice discussing this with you but I do wish Neutralino or somebody else who knows the ANSWER, not their own speculation would check in on this one.

Best to you,

Pat