An Idea

[Profpat]

But what about the four basic forces? And the eleven dimensions of string theory?? They are not in trinity. we perceive only three dimensions, is there a limitation with the earch creatures??

Hi again Dipayankar;

Another good question.

If you go back to my diagram in my Idea you'll see how those 7 dimensions are created by the three quarks or circles'

Yes they believe there are 4 forces but I think there is only ONE. That is the quest for the T.O.E.

In my Idea I think the strong nuclear and weak nuclear are really our old friend EMR. Complementary opposites, positive and negative charges.

Science has believed that for some time now. They believe at the very beginning there were only 2 forces Gravity and EMR. Again the trick was to reconcile gravity with EMR to come up with only ONE force.
My own thought is that EMR and Gravity are the same only opposite forces.

Best,

Pat

[dipayankar]

This brings me to my predicament ( I hope I spelt it right). If EM is electricity and magnetism then, magnetism still does not give us monopoles whereas electricity does. So are we clever in combining these forces? The basis of both these forces are different. In other words one gives rise to the other, so in effect are we looking at two branches of the fundamental force and not a single force as we perceive???

Hi again Dipayankar;

Another good question.

If you go back to my diagram in my Idea you'll see how those 7 dimensions are created by the three quarks or circles'

Yes they believe there are 4 forces but I think there is only ONE. That is the quest for the T.O.E.

In my Idea I think the strong nuclear and weak nuclear are really our old friend EMR. Complementary opposites, positive and negative charges.

Science has believed that for some time now. They believe at the very beginning there were only 2 forces Gravity and EMR. Again the trick was to reconcile gravity with EMR to come up with only ONE force.
My own thought is that EMR and Gravity are the same only opposite forces.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi Dipayankar;

I found this which may be of interest to you at the Wiki site.

In physics, a dyon is a hypothetical particle with both electric and magnetic charges. A dyon with a zero electric charge is usually referred to as a magnetic monopole. Many Grand Unified Theories predict the existence of both magnetic monopoles and dyons.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi Drifter;

Thank you for your post of Daemon and Eidoton.
It was very interesting.

Best to you,

Pat

[Drifter]

When a man feels he needs to take into account his evolutionary standpoint, the result of this response is a reorientation of the lower man in order to produce a synthesis of the Three and the One so that the work of the Four may proceed. Here you have a reflection consumated in the microcosm of that which the Solar Logos started, the "Sacred Four" of the Cosmos; man in his turn becomes a "Sacred Four" - spirit and the three of manifestation.

I'm going to expand on my thoughts regarding trinity.

To me it's essential to have a complete ONE. Whether that is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; or Mental, Physical, and Emotional, to make up the dynamics of ONE PERSON.

The universe needs TIME, SPACE and MOTION to make up it's existence.

The three primary colors of light, RED, GREEN and BLUE are necessary to make up our spectrum.

Three Quarks are required to construct the Proton/Neutron.

ME, MYSELF and I make up Pat. ( ME, mass/energy, the radiating body ) ( I, the I AM the mind ) ( SELF the spirit which resides in the person )

Now if trinity is needed physically ( Time,space, motion ) ( 3 quarks ) ( 3 primary colors ) I would think this trinity permeates all things.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Best to all,

Pat

[Drifter]

It is advisable that each who begin the path of thought upon the trinity arrive at an understanding of their etheric body, and this for certain reasons.
First, the etheric body is the next aspect of the world substance to be studied by scientists and investigators. This time will be hastened if thinking men and women can formulate intelligent ideas about this interesting subject. We can aid in the revelation of the truth by our clear thinking and from the standpoint of the present pronouncements about the ether, scientists will eventually arrive at an understanding of etheric forms or bodies.

Secondly, the etheric body is composed of force currents, and in it are vital centers linked by lines of force with each other and with the nervous system of the physical man. Through these lines of force, it is connected also with the etheric body of the environing system. Note that in this lies the basis for a belief in immortality, for the law of brotherhood or unity and for astrological truth.

Thirdly, the need of realizing that the etheric body is vitalized and controlled by thought and can [through thought] be brought into full functioning activity. This is done by right thinking and not be breathing exercises and holding the nose. When this is grasped, much dangerous practice will be avoided and people will come into a normal and safe control of that most potent instrument, the vital body. That this end may rapidly be consummated is my earnest wish.

Namaste`

When a man feels he needs to take into account his evolutionary standpoint, the result of this response is a reorientation of the lower man in order to produce a synthesis of the Three and the One so that the work of the Four may proceed. Here you have a reflection consummated in the microcosm of that which the Solar Logos started, the "Sacred Four" of the Cosmos; man in his turn becomes a "Sacred Four" - spirit and the three of manifestation.

I'm going to expand on my thoughts regarding trinity.

To me it's essential to have a complete ONE. Whether that is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; or Mental, Physical, and Emotional, to make up the dynamics of ONE PERSON.

The universe needs TIME, SPACE and MOTION to make up it's existence.

The three primary colors of light, RED, GREEN and BLUE are necessary to make up our spectrum.

Three Quarks are required to construct the Proton/Neutron.

ME, MYSELF and I make up Pat. ( ME, mass/energy, the radiating body ) ( I, the I AM the mind ) ( SELF the spirit which resides in the person )

Now if trinity is needed physically ( Time,space, motion ) ( 3 quarks ) ( 3 primary colors ) I would think this trinity permeates all things.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Best to all,

Pat

[rybot]

Hi Rybo;
Thank you for your post. You are right and I stand corrected, it would not be a spherical shape. Rather it would be a geodesic dome and geodesic sphere shape. Thank you for your insight. I do believe they would be at 90 degrees of each other due to the equality of the complementary opposites of the domains.

Pat, I think you misunderstand my comments. Geodesic domes are, for the most part, very much spherical.

Your three partially overlapping circles whether in 2D( quarks ) or 3D( proton ), do not define a spherical or at least not anything close to being likened to spherical.

The "closed neutron" is much closer to being likened to a spherical.

I don't believe it would be Plato's octahedron, in that I believe those are linear lines and not curved. Otherwise it would be the same. I would be very interested in further information of the 3 Great Circles you mentioned.

http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s08/figs/f3511.html

This is a Platonic polyhedron, only it is the spherical version. These are equalateral curved triangles.

These three XYZ oriented are the same as the regular octahedron.

Again thank you,
Pat

Your welcome and hope that you are still willing to disscuss, answer questions in regards to the "idea" and consider my ToE ideas and a couple of other web sites that have models similar to yours but still differrent.

Here is one such site, and I hope you will look at it. It is sort of hybrid cross between your "idea"and my ideas.

Rybo

[rybot]

I'll reply within you post, I hope you don't mind

It is refreshing to come into contact with another studious mind.

Hey Drifter, thats good to hear.

I clicked "quote" but most of your and my text is missing.

I'm still having trouble understanding how to intersperse my text with the others text. Thats paritally why I've gone to using color text early on. This ToE of fomat has some good stuff but it has fair amount of negative stuff, to enable effiencient and effective communication.

Anyway I copied your reply and will try posting it here as follows:

RY) "Hey Drifter, I'm not sure where, or if, the "soul" fits into Pats "idea"."


I was addressing the post not the thread.
[my apology if due Profpat]

Ok

Either way Drifter, where I differ with your assessment, and the specifics of your comment above, is that I equate "soul" with a biological and a biological is much more complex than any known aggregate of "matter" having no known access to all the metaphysical complexities associated with the most complex biologicals( humans ) and to some degree all less complex biologicals

DRI) You' are observing from the perspective of your lower nature as a biological entity only. You are much more than that, did ye but know it.

Or so you believe, and believe that "ye" know. It appears to me that your higher soul is likened to physicist whose Standard Model call for a Higgs boson field and particle that gives all mass to all matter, yet there is as of yet, no evidence of such a Higgs( God particle ) boson.


DRI0 Keep it simple, the soul has a dual nature.

I believe I have responded to that once before. That dualit is metaphysical and physcial as it is with all words, 'things' etc...


DRI) The soul has a dual nature. When it is assosciated with matter [ensouled and mortal] it is mired in its descent into its lower nature or aspect and knows life and death, when it is beholding of the spirit in its ascention it is one with the beloved and knows immortality no death, that what has never known birth can never know death. Lofty? Unbound? Free? Your guess is as good as mine.

Again your scenario reminds me of the above mentioned Higgs Ocean/Field. If you are familiar with it then you *may* see the similarity between the two scenarios.


""Drifter, I agree that "soul" has dual aspects/nature, in that, similar to "spirit" and all words and/or assigned 'things' there is always the eternal dualistic and complementary metaphysical( energeyless ) and physical( energetic )""

DI) Man is energised by the soul, it is the creative spark that animates the mind/body organism, at death it withdraws from matter.

Here again your scenario is very much likened to Higgs. No evidence of either.

""Drifter, I believe "higher nature" and "enlightenment" are states of consciousness, that we can for time, however brief that may be, time and time again in a lifetime of human.""


DRI) So is our lower nature a state of 'relative' consciousness, relative to what, relative to the 'things' in that field. [the concept of 'original sin' was the initial 'idea of seperation', from the whole, that we are not born with as infants but 'acquire', culturally and conditionally.]

Yes drifter, consciousness is based on the experiential ergo relativity, yet we biological/soul has access to metaphysicla mind. This again is the trinity/triune.

""It is metaphysical spirit, that searches out such states of consciousness, and labels that search and the resultant actions thereof, as 'spirituality'.""


DRI) The etheric[noumenon] side of the ephemeral[phenomenon] duality, seeks its source. aka "spirituality'. [Google "Etheric Double"]

Beyond my comprehensive abilities. Sorry.

""The most generalized and complex triune/trinuty is that of:
1) metaphysical beyond and its subcatagories
2) spirit and soul combination as a biological, and at its most complex, as human complex and its most complex --barring the whole "U"niverse complex-- interaction between the metaphysical and physical
3) physical matter as fermions and bosons and any accumulating aggregates thereof.""

DRI) Soul [ego/formless/mind] and body [form] body, mind, soul.
Gross, subtle, and causal.
Physical, emotional, mental, states realms, kingdoms, planes of being.

Soul = biological( emotions, chemicals, hormones, feelings, EMRadiation, consciousness and most complex occurrs with nervous system.

There is no mystery left to be understood iin this way Drifter. This is very simple/plain. Your higher soul idea are yet to be clearly indentified and/or observed.

Rybo

[rybot]

I'm going to expand on my thoughts regarding trinity.
To me it's essential to have a complete ONE. Whether that is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; or Mental, Physical, and Emotional, to make up the dynamics of ONE PERSON.

That is why the "U" in some Universe labels is capitalized i.e it is all inclusive of both metaphysical and physical.

The universe needs TIME, SPACE and MOTION to make up it's existence.

I see physical time as equal to motion.

The three primary colors of light, RED, GREEN and BLUE are necessary to make up our spectrum.

True, however, the painter/artist types replace one of those with yellow, to arrive their three primary colors.

Three Quarks are required to construct the Proton/Neutron.

However, there are other geometries that also incorporate this threeness that may be the 3 quarks of baryons( proton,neutrons etc..)

I hope to share my three quarks geometrical version with you later on.

ME, MYSELF and I make up Pat. ( ME, mass/energy, the radiating body ) ( I, the I AM the mind ) ( SELF the spirit which resides in the person )

I would refer you to my trinity/triune as expressed to Drifter.

Now if trinity is needed physically ( Time,space, motion ) ( 3 quarks ) ( 3 primary colors ) I would think this trinity permeates all things.

I think so to, however, I think is a little more complicated than your version.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Thanks for clarifying Pat. I'm still wondering what internal polyhedral shapes are defined by your 3D partially overlapping circles?

Rybo

[rybot]

I believe the photon and light wave are one and the same. The 2 dimensional transverse wave is bundle by what appears to be particles again because they have L,W, and H.

Pat. I agree with your assessment, tho proably not for the same reasons you do. I dunno, as I'm not sure of why you feel that way.

Rybo