An Idea

[Drifter]

It's all inter-connected, and inter-related.
The soul has two natures personal and essential, man-like and god-like.
When the soul be comes one with the spiritual side of it's duality and channel is thereby established by which "the spirit can reciprocate with it's earthly counterpart" it's know as the Current of Ambrosia, a cup of Ambri, the Holy Spirit.
It is The trinity, until the flesh disolves, then the vivifying life-force exits and returns to whence it came. You see it as a literalist ans I see it as Gnostic. 'You' haven't gone far enough. 'You' remain stuck in the concrete.

Drifter, it appears to me that you are transposing your "ensouled" concept to an "awakened" concept.

Beyond that you have gone way off( out there ) on some tangent(?) that is getting farther and farther from the trinity/triune disscussion.

I'm not going there, partially cause I don't understand if there is an existen relationship to our disscussion. Sorry.

Pats "idea" has three main parts:

1) all the universe that is outside of it

2) all the universe inside of it

3) the little bit of universe that does the seprating

There are subcatgories of each of these three.

Rybo

RYbo

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[Drifter]

St. Paul is the most influential Christian of all time. There are 13 letters attributed to him in the New Teastament, making up a quarter of the whole canonical Christian scripture. On top of that, Most of the Acts of the Apostles is devoted to tales of Paul.

Traditionally Paul is viewed as a bastion of orthodoxy and a crusader against the heretical Gnostics. Yet it is a remarkable fact that the Gnostics themselves never saw him in this light. Quite the opposite - the great Gnostic sages of the early second century CE called Paul "the Great Apostle" and honored him as the primary inspiration for Gnostic Christianity. Valentinus explains that Paul initiated the chosen few into the "Deeper Mysteries" of Christianity, which revealed a secret doctrine of God. These initiates had included Valentinus' teacher Theudas, who had in turn initiated Valentinus himself.

"Much of what passes for "historical" interpretation of Paul and for "objective" analysis of his letters can be traced to the second-century heresilogists. If the apostle were so unequivacally anti-Gnostic, how could the Gnostics claim him as their Pnuematic teacher? How could they say they are following his example when they offer secret teaching of wisdom and "Gnosis "to the initiates?" How could they claim his resurrection theology as the source for their own, citing his words as decisive evidence against the ecclesiastical doctrine of bodily resurrection?" -Elain Pagels

Leave it to Paul to not understand wisdom.

[rybot]

Drifter, glad to see you come back within frequencies of resonation.

I thought that we had previously aggreed, that the souls spirit etc...all "things" have dual nature. I call it metaphysical( void/mind ) and physical( spirit/energy ).

Where we differ is in that you do not see the triangular trinity/triune as eternal and I do i.e. you believe there is some allegded "force" called life.

Again this reminds me of the Standard Models Higgs Ocean( sea ) that gives *mass* to all fermions.

Higgs may very well exist, as may this alleged "life" force you speak of.

When we have evidence of either will be a differrent day with new information. Such is not the case today.

I still hope you will make some attempt to respons to specific questions I posed to you in our past emails.

Concrete, mud, etc...is what we experience. There is also the micro and micro we know to exist via our instrumentation.

Humans and all biological are stuck physical "stuck" within the our finite physical universe i.e. no human --not even you-- can get physically get outside of our physical universe.

What we humans can and do do, is to conceptually( metaphyscilly ) place ourselves outside of a concept of our finite physical universe, and then look back in upon that universe, as if we were God, holding the whole universe in our hands.

Rybo

It's all inter-connected, and inter-related.
The soul has two natures personal and essential, man-like and god-like.
When the soul be comes one with the spiritual side of it's duality and channel is thereby established by which "the spirit can reciprocate with it's earthly counterpart" it's know as the Current of Ambrosia, a cup of Ambri, the Holy Spirit.
It is The trinity, until the flesh disolves, then the vivifying life-force exits and returns to whence it came. You see it as a literalist ans I see it as Gnostic. 'You' haven't gone far enough. 'You' remain stuck in the concrete.

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[Profpat]

Hi Rybo;

Drifter does has a way of going off topic at times, thanks for trying to keep him on target.

I'll try my best to explain the best I can what you may be refering to regarding allignment of the 3 circles.

First I really don't know since this is conjecture on my part. My thoughts on it however is this. I would think they would be alligned at 90 degrees in the geodesic sphere. Again I think this would be because of the equal and opposite actions/reactions of the complementary opposites within the sphere. While this is close to an eternity at a nuclear scale, I believe it's about 10 minutes our time before a free neutron decays to a proton/electron.

Once it has decayed, it's my belief that the proton is a stable particle, no further decay is possible, though it has component parts. This would be consistent with my Idea. I imagine it spinning and projecting the electron. What the angle would be I'm not sure, maybe you could be of help there.

I never thought of my Idea as being broken down into three areas, Outside. inside, and the particle itself. Once again very insightful on your part, and once again thank you.

Looking forward to viewing your structures.

Best to you,

Pat

[dipayankar]

Thanks Prof. My worry is that since the electric monopole is so easy to spot, its cousin the Dyon should not be so elusive...

Hi Dipayankar;

I found this which may be of interest to you at the Wiki site.

In physics, a dyon is a hypothetical particle with both electric and magnetic charges. A dyon with a zero electric charge is usually referred to as a magnetic monopole. Many Grand Unified Theories predict the existence of both magnetic monopoles and dyons.

Best,

Pat

[rybot]

Hi Rybo;
Drifter does has a way of going off topic at times, thanks for trying to keep him on target.

Your welcome.

I'll try my best to explain the best I can what you may be refering to regarding allignment of the 3 circles.
First I really don't know since this is conjecture on my part. My thoughts on it however is this. I would think they would be alligned at 90 degrees in the geodesic sphere. Again I think this would be because of the equal and opposite actions/reactions of the complementary opposites within the sphere. While this is close to an eternity at a nuclear scale, I believe it's about 10 minutes our time before a free neutron decays to a proton/electron.

Pat,90 degrees would make symmetrical sense with your "closed" neutron scenario.

It would not make sense with your paritally overlapping "open" circles.

Symmetrically, from a birds eye view( top ) your "open" three be at 60 degrees to each other.


Once it has decayed, it's my belief that the proton is a stable particle, no further decay is possible, though it has component parts. This would be consistent with my Idea. I imagine it spinning and projecting the electron. What the angle would be I'm not sure, maybe you could be of help there.

Pat, proton is not known to decay. Your comments don't make sense.

I never thought of my Idea as being broken down into three areas, Outside. inside, and the particle itself. Once again very insightful on your part, and once again thank you.

Any 3D thing is associated with those three aspects.

Looking forward to viewing your structures.

I was hoping you would view and respond to the field structure link I gave here. What happened? Did you open that web site? Etc...?? Did you notice the specific polyhedron a the core?

Your 2D three circles has positive triangle at its core.

Rybo

[neutralino]

Once it has decayed, it's my belief that the proton is a stable particle, no further decay is possible, though it has component parts. This would be consistent with my Idea. I imagine it spinning and projecting the electron. What the angle would be I'm not sure, maybe you could be of help there.

Pat, proton is not known to decay. Your comments don't make sense.

Indeed, the proton is pretty much stable, however Pat has stated this. Also, free neutron decay does occur, but I don't think that there are that many free neutrons in the universe. Whenever a free neutron is produced, most of the time it collides with another atom and is taken into the nucleus.

Still, I agree that Pat's comments could be a little confusing. I think he means that he envisions a neutron spinning and projecting the electron. Is this correct, Pat?

[Profpat]

I think the Neutron has the electron as part of it's inner structure, when it decays then the proton, the geodesic dome, projects the electron.

Rybo I did take a look at the two structures, but they appeared a bit complex to me. Sorry.

Best to all,

Pat

[rybot]

[size=2]NE) Indeed, the proton is pretty much stable, however Pat has stated this.

Neutralino, yes you are correct. Half of his statement was correct.

NE) Still, I agree that Pat's comments could be a little confusing.

That would be the more diplomatic comment for me to say. Sorry.

Time appears to short for me to search my brain for what is most diplomatic thing to say, before I spurt out something that may hurt others feelings.

Oh brother, I'm getting to old to change my habit patterns.

Rybo

[rybot]

I think the Neutron has the electron as part of it's inner structure, when it decays then the proton, the geodesic dome, projects the electron.
Rybo I did take a look at the two structures, but they appeared a bit complex to me. Sorry.

Thats Ok Pat. You tried. I think I'm going to mostly have to skip going any further with you on this thread. I think most of what I have to share with you is going to be "a bit to complex". Sorry good luck with your "idea".

Rybo