Hi Rybo; Drifter does has a way of going off topic at times, thanks for trying to keep him on target.
Your welcome.
I'll try my best to explain the best I can what you may be refering to regarding allignment of the 3 circles. First I really don't know since this is conjecture on my part. My thoughts on it however is this. I would think they would be alligned at 90 degrees in the geodesic sphere. Again I think this would be because of the equal and opposite actions/reactions of the complementary opposites within the sphere. While this is close to an eternity at a nuclear scale, I believe it's about 10 minutes our time before a free neutron decays to a proton/electron.
Pat,90 degrees would make symmetrical sense with your "closed" neutron scenario.
It would not make sense with your paritally overlapping "open" circles.
Symmetrically, from a birds eye view( top ) your "open" three be at 60 degrees to each other.
Once it has decayed, it's my belief that the proton is a stable particle, no further decay is possible, though it has component parts. This would be consistent with my Idea. I imagine it spinning and projecting the electron. What the angle would be I'm not sure, maybe you could be of help there.
Pat, proton is not known to decay. Your comments don't make sense.
I never thought of my Idea as being broken down into three areas, Outside. inside, and the particle itself. Once again very insightful on your part, and once again thank you.
Any 3D thing is associated with those three aspects.
Looking forward to viewing your structures.
I was hoping you would view and respond to the field structure link I gave here. What happened? Did you open that web site? Etc...?? Did you notice the specific polyhedron a the core?
Your 2D three circles has positive triangle at its core.
Once it has decayed, it's my belief that the proton is a stable particle, no further decay is possible, though it has component parts. This would be consistent with my Idea. I imagine it spinning and projecting the electron. What the angle would be I'm not sure, maybe you could be of help there.
Pat, proton is not known to decay. Your comments don't make sense.
Indeed, the proton is pretty much stable, however Pat has stated this. Also, free neutron decay does occur, but I don't think that there are that many free neutrons in the universe. Whenever a free neutron is produced, most of the time it collides with another atom and is taken into the nucleus.
Still, I agree that Pat's comments could be a little confusing. I think he means that he envisions a neutron spinning and projecting the electron. Is this correct, Pat?
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If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day - John A. Wheeler.
I think the Neutron has the electron as part of it's inner structure, when it decays then the proton, the geodesic dome, projects the electron. Rybo I did take a look at the two structures, but they appeared a bit complex to me. Sorry.
Thats Ok Pat. You tried. I think I'm going to mostly have to skip going any further with you on this thread. I think most of what I have to share with you is going to be "a bit to complex". Sorry good luck with your "idea".
quote=rybot;44507]Drifter, I too believe that all fermions and bosons have some degree of conscious awareness ergo some degree of consciousness, however, there distnctioins to be made.
All the physical stuff is "spirit". A biological/soul is one such distinction that I make and at is commonly taught in all deucational formats, that i'm aware of, barring the one-to-one association with "soul" that I make.
There is only a 'you' and 'me' [seperation] because of this duality [on the physical plane-as Gods gift to man] and "relative consciousness" has us hypnotized, entranced, bewitched to the point we've forgotten we have an immortal aspect [god-like] that only evolves as we reconise it.
You also appear to believe there is somthing called "ensoulment" which I understand you too mean that there was something with no soul/biological life content and then all of sudden it does.
The soul comes "into being" at the moment of conception, at this point the Creative Force aka soul [relative consciousness is energized with spirit[Awareness] and when the brain has developed, matured enough it will re-member.
This is where you and I differ i.e. I think the trinity/triune that I've laid out is eternally existent or at mimimum there exists eternally a gravitational, spacetime mapping for such for all spirit and biollogicals/souls to become manifest physically.
In this latter sense spirit and biological/soul equate to gravitational spacetime as being( functioning as ) the quasi-physical buffer-zone, existent at ultra-micro-scales, and between the metaphysical and the physical.
1) metaphysical macro-infinite spatiality beyond the finite physical universe but also transposes( one-to-one ) as --i.e. has subcatagory therof-- asbstract concepts of mind.
2) spirit when patterned as biological/soul with access to metaphysical mind --to varying degrees-- transposes( one-to-one ) as the quasi-physical gravitational spacetime buffer-zone between physical and metaphysical.
3) physical fermions and bosons and any aggragates thereof.
As for your comments of "facts of truth" that you experineced first hand, I don't recall exactly what it is your talking about Drifter. Sorry.
Out Of Body experience [not to be confused with near-death].
Rybo
QUOTE=Drifter;44498]"Spirit " can be ensouled. As man can be ensouled. One is physical and one is metaphysical.
In seperation one has an affinity for physical/ephemeral/and mortality. [and an aversion to the other]
One has an affinity for for the metaphysical/etherical/immortality. [and an aversion to the other]
I believe even the single celled omeba is constructed of molecules and elements, which have a conscious [ness] aversion or affinity to others of the same plane, and a morphing, if you will into a new substance. Similar to but different from the former on the evolutionary ladder. Two but not two.
Experiences can also be mis-believed because the observing/listening to the explanation/storyformula/diagram has no direct knowledge of what is being related too.
as i said before i have experienced it first hand, you dismiss this "fact of truth" if you wish, but it will not influence me and and what I know from the experience.
some have eyes to see and ears to hear and,
some don't.[/quote][/quote]
Thats Ok Pat. You tried. I think I'm going to mostly have to skip going any further with you on this thread. I think most of what I have to share with you is going to be "a bit to complex". Sorry good luck with your "idea".
Rybo
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Thanks for your help Rybo. In your quest don't forget the principle of Occam's Razor.
Imagine a circumference with a point in the center.
Draw and imaginary line from the center to anywhere on the circumference.
The center represents The Creative Force, God, or Awareness.
The circumference represents the known, the visible and sensual.
The radius represents the soul of mankind.
Now imagine many such lines projectig from the same center to different points along the circumference. 101, 1001, 1 million and 1, or an infinite number of souls[things with a spark of awareness], manifesting materially on the outer circumference.
Now imagine this cenario involuting and evolving forth within a torus, and a Supreme Awareness who/that idealized this into Being.
Also in your prior post, somethings can only be experienced directly, such as God's Grace or Out of Body experiences. they do not lend themselves to descriptions in that they transcend language.
RY) Drifter, I too believe that all fermions and bosons have some degree of conscious awareness ergo some degree of consciousness, however, there distinctions to be made.
All the physical stuff is "spirit". A biological/soul is one such distinction that I make and at is commonly taught in all deucational formats, that i'm aware of, barring the one-to-one association with "soul" that I make.
DR) There is only a 'you' and 'me' [seperation] because of this duality [on the physical plane-as Gods gift to man] and "relative consciousness" has us hypnotized, entranced, bewitched to the point we've forgotten we have an immortal aspect [god-like] that only evolves as we reconise it.
Hey Drifter, there s speration/differrentiation because of varying scales of interference ergo varing scale of frequency i.e.EM-Radiation goes from very long frequencies to very short frequencies.
Relative consciousness i.e. *real/physical* consciousness is vehicle to access metphysical mind any "immortal"( eternal ) truths.
RY) You also appear to believe there is something called "ensoulment" which I understand you too mean that there was something with no soul/biological life content and then all of sudden it does.
DR) The soul comes "into being" at the moment of conception, at this point the Creative Force aka soul [relative consciousness is energized with spirit[Awareness] and when the brain has developed, matured enough it will re-member.
Drifter, I agree that there is a new soul that comes into being, however, that new soul is but aggregate of two other souls --i.e. the egg and the sperm--.
"Creative Force" is a another new one from you. Like your "life force", I would say there is no evidence for such.
You do appear to be coming around to my view of spirit having a physical aspect via your above comment "energized with spirit".
Memory is indeed crucial for the creative aspects of consciousness.
RY) This is where you and I differ i.e. I think the trinity/triune that I've laid out is eternally existent or at mimimum there exists eternally a gravitational, spacetime mapping for such for all spirit and biollogicals/souls to become manifest physically.
In this latter sense spirit and biological/soul equate to gravitational spacetime as being( functioning as ) the quasi-physical buffer-zone, existent at ultra-micro-scales, and between the metaphysical and the physical.
1) metaphysical macro-infinite spatiality beyond the finite physical universe but also transposes( one-to-one ) as --i.e. has subcatagory therof-- asbstract concepts of mind.
2) spirit when patterned as biological/soul with access to metaphysical mind --to varying degrees-- transposes( one-to-one ) as the quasi-physical gravitational spacetime buffer-zone between physical and metaphysical.
3) physical fermions and bosons and any aggregates thereof.
As for your comments of "facts of truth" that you expeieneced first hand, I don't recall exactly what it is your talking about Drifter. Sorry.
Out DRI) Of Body experience [not to be confused with near-death].
Ok, glad to see you responded to my query here. It appears that you have experienced an "out of body experience".
I have experience out of body phenomena many times in my sleep. The first time I dreamed of flying sort of left me feeling "oh that was cool" but also, sure don't want that one to get confused with my conscious states.
I'm not sure of any significance of your "oob" experience or why it had entered into our disscussion.
Please feel free to elaborate.
Rybo
QUOTE=Drifter;44498]"Spirit " can be ensouled. As man can be ensouled. One is physical and one is metaphysical.
In seperation one has an affinity for physical/ephemeral/and mortality. [and an aversion to the other]
One has an affinity for for the metaphysical/etherical/immortality. [and an aversion to the other]
I believe even the single celled omeba is constructed of molecules and elements, which have a conscious [ness] aversion or affinity to others of the same plane, and a morphing, if you will into a new substance. Similar to but different from the former on the evolutionary ladder. Two but not two.
Experiences can also be mis-believed because the observing/listening to the explanation/storyformula/diagram has no direct knowledge of what is being related too.
as i said before i have experienced it first hand, you dismiss this "fact of truth" if you wish, but it will not influence me and and what I know from the experience.
some have eyes to see and ears to hear and,
some don't.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
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