[rybot]

Thanks for your help Rybo. In your quest don't forget the principle of Occam's Razor.

Thanks for the reminder Pat. I can assure you have not forgotten and that it indirectly, it was basis for my own GUTOE.

However, there is a message with some quotes within it, I received recently that you, I and others might want to also remmeber:;;;


....""*Arthur) Ockham's Razor has always bothered me.

It reminds me of the well-known Sherlock Holmes quote, which is nearly its opposite and is equally flawed,

"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

The logic doesn't hold up. You can eliminate the impossible and be left with many possibilities, only one of which might well be the truth.

And then there's

Mencken's Maxim
There's always an easy solution to every human problem-****neat, plausible, and wrong.

and

Grossman's Comment
Complex problems have simple, easy-to-understand wrong answers.


Rybo

[Profpat]

Those are funny quotes Rybo.

Here is a little cartoon dealing with the subject.

[Drifter]

Unlike "scientists", philosophers do not need anyone else's approval/agreement/back-up for something which is inherently difficult to fathom, unless it is experienced. Mind cannot grasp it, it comes by way of grace. And most scientist are to concrete of mind to be able to experience it. [and It's a phenomenon only to the unexperienced]
There was a time when science was simply a branch of philosophy like mathematics and astrology, all in agreement and accord.

Ockham's razor

Methodological principle of parsimony in scientific explanation. Traditionally attributed to William of Ockham, the principle prescribes that entities are not to be multiplied beyond necessity. In practice, this means that if a phenomenon can be explained without assuming the existence of an entity, then philosophers and scientists should not assume the entity's existence. The history of science provides many examples of the principle's application (e.g., the rejection by scientists of the hypothesis of a luminiferous ether in response to Albert Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity). See also materialism.

Originally Posted by Profpat

Thats Ok Pat. You tried. I think I'm going to mostly have to skip going any further with you on this thread. I think most of what I have to share with you is going to be "a bit to complex". Sorry good luck with your "idea".

Rybo

Thanks for your help Rybo. In your quest don't forget the principle of Occam's Razor.

Best to you,

Pat[/quote]

[Profpat]

Yep, you have experienced it Drifter.

As far as William of Ockham, he was a friend of mine. I remember him telling me, "Pat you sure do complicate your life" . Poor old William met his end, when like in the 20th century they tried to eliminate ether prematurely, he tried to eliminate God as being unnecessary, that really ticked off the Catholic Church.

I guess he never experienced God's Grace directly.

Best to you Drifter,

Pat

[Drifter]

Oh I'm sure he eventually did Professor, probably after much "gnashing of teeth"!
We stand in judgement of our "self", in the eventual Light of Truth. Eventually this will come to pass for all those whom are seperatists, here and now. [simply because they won't listen, or don't see, imho][ and understandably so because most would not recoginse the truth, if it bit them in the ass][I know, I was once my 'self']

just curious Prof, ever read "The Razor's Edge" by W. Sommerset Maugham?

Best to you Professor

ps, the story of your friend reminds me so much of Tolstoy's "Confession". have you? it's a wonderful confession, and a delightful read. [although Tolstoy was more fortunate than your friend]

Originally Posted by Profpat

Yep, you have experienced it Drifter.

As far as William of Ockham, he was a friend of mine. I remember him telling me, "Pat you sure do complicate your life" . Poor old William met his end, when like in the 20th century they tried to eliminate ether prematurely, he tried to eliminate God as being unnecessary, that really ticked off the Catholic Church.

I guess he never experienced God's Grace directly.

Best to you Drifter,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi Drifter;

I saw the original movie The Razors Edge, with Tyrone Power as I recall. My eyes are poor, so not much reading lately.

You are of course right about judging ourselves. The only one I can judge. I always come up very short because, being semienlightened, I should know better.

The ignorant at least have their ignorance to blame, but I have no such defense.

That is why, if there is a final judgement, I'd rather have Jesus judge me, rather than myself. The problem of course is that I really don't believe in either and therefore stuck with my daily judgement.

Enough of this happy talk. Thanks for your thoughts.

Best to you always,

Pat

[Drifter]

Profpat, if your happy, Im happy for you.

Best to you as well.

Originally Posted by Profpat

Hi Drifter;

I saw the original movie The Razors Edge, with Tyrone Power as I recall. My eyes are poor, so not much reading lately.

You are of course right about judging ourselves. The only one I can judge. I always come up very short because, being semienlightened, I should know better.

The ignorant at least have their ignorance to blame, but I have no such defense.

That is why, if there is a final judgement, I'd rather have Jesus judge me, rather than myself. The problem of course is that I really don't believe in either and therefore stuck with my daily judgement.

Enough of this happy talk. Thanks for your thoughts.

Best to you always,

Pat

[dipayankar]

Then why doesnt the neutrons on Neutron stars change into decay into protons??

Originally Posted by neutralino

Indeed, the proton is pretty much stable, however Pat has stated this. Also, free neutron decay does occur, but I don't think that there are that many free neutrons in the universe. Whenever a free neutron is produced, most of the time it collides with another atom and is taken into the nucleus.

Still, I agree that Pat's comments could be a little confusing. I think he means that he envisions a neutron spinning and projecting the electron. Is this correct, Pat?

[neutralino]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Then why doesnt the neutrons on Neutron stars change into decay into protons??

Perhaps they do. Note that neutron stars aren't just made of neutrons. Plus, conditions inside a neutron star, in the regions where the neutrons live, are not like conditions we are used to. Thus, I don't know whether neutrons would decay inside a neutron star or not, but they could. Here is a link to some info on the structure of a neutron star.

[Drifter]

Man's earthly life is controlled by the power of Destiny, through the physical limitations of the mortal body. However, if a man's mind is illuminated by the Light of God, he becomes free from these celestial influences, for even the gods of the Logos, are powerless before God. It is not our duty to simply acquiesce in our fate, but rather, through comtemplation of God, to rise above our merely mortal nature and awaken our immortal soul [e.g. the state of Christos, is within]. was it the wise King Solomon who said, "I will give you 1/10th of my kingdom for a ticket into Heaven."

Originally Posted by Profpat

Hi Drifter;

You are of course right about judging ourselves. The only one I can judge. I always come up very short because, being semienlightened, I should know better.

The ignorant at least have their ignorance to blame, but I have no such defense.

That is why, if there is a final judgement, I'd rather have Jesus judge me, rather than myself. The problem of course is that I really don't believe in either and therefore stuck with my daily judgement.

Enough of this happy talk. Thanks for your thoughts.

Best to you always,

Pat