An Idea

[Lloyd Gillespie]

In fact I think the electromagnetic radiation, pure energy which is continuus, will form particles at it's most energetic end. Energy becoming mass, a discreet particle.

Well Pat, nobody's been able to do it yet...

Energy never becomes mass. Matter at velocity produces mass, then energy__This science knows__The bomb explodes, every time. The bomb trigger mechanisms firing matter, and bomb material meeting at velocity, creates the explosion, then exits/exhausts its waste energy...

The giant accelerators first use electro-magnetism to accelerate particles, in opposite directions, to collide and produce energy__not the other way around, and no matter is created, just smashed to bits of matter and particle/waves...

So far, no matter/particle production possible, by man...

Btw, mass does not make a discrete particle__matter does__mass is matter's mechanics of velocity...

Science can not make religion into particles...

[Profpat]

So I have strings and you have FS moving around creating mass/energy.

Lets collapse ourselves to strings or FS, a very little tiny bit of matter (substance) yet through it's movement and dynamic interactions this illusion is created.

[Profpat]

Well Pat, nobody's been able to do it yet...

You're right but according to big bang theory that is exactly what happened at the beginning.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

You're right but according to big bang theory that is exactly what happened at the beginning.

No, that's just what some BB physicists and others think happened. There's plenty others who question what built the ball called the BB, expansion, inflation or whatever. Where did the necessary material come from to build such a collosal explosion, if that be what it was...? That's why there's plenty of other physicists and scientists investigating a pre-BB universe, of eternally existing FS field...

All the problems of theories are with eternity. Science requires eternity, or it must answer the creation question__Thus science chooses eternally existing matter. By doing so, it must also accept infinity, or it's simply back to the creator myths__and herein lies the confusions about infinity__Science is forced to accept it, or a finite universe requires such religious mechanics as super-luminal non-sense, or coming from points of near nothing, by the ridiculous maths involved. The instant one accelerates to the super-luminal, the Planck point becomes the problem, so the only other option for science is to accept the infinite as its open ended alternative, to allow a fully functioning scientific Universe, well within the laws of physics. This, science is slow at understanding...

For science it's either the creator myths, or the science of infinity. Religion on the other hand has always chose to use imaginary energy first theories. That solves all science questions, but offers the world absolutely no true science, and herein exists the problem with all energy first theories__Anything that can answer everything is not science, and science has this very problem also, if it accepts the super-luminal, as it answers everything, but offers the world no true science...

So, take your pick__The field of theories is still wide open...

Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

[Profpat]

I remember the nuns teaching me that the soul was the fundamental substance within us.

That one is for you LLoyd.

[Profpat]

Actually Lloyd I was trying to be mathematical and logical in my An Idea. Granted I believe in God, but the dimensional build up is mathematical, and not religious.

I think all these forms and lines are illusions or imaginary Lloyd, based on the movement of FS.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Actually Lloyd I was trying to be mathematical and logical in my An Idea. Granted I believe in God, but the dimensional build up is mathematical, and not religious.

I think all these forms and lines are illusions or imaginary Lloyd, based on the movement of FS.

Yeah Pat, but if we took the time to define our differences of meanings of FS, illusions, imaginary, logical, mathematical, mechanics, dimensional, forms, lines, energy, matter, masss, time, on and on__Would we ever meet in agreement...?

[SB_UK]

[ -<- -<- -<- and so it continues ]

1. Previous Universe back (orthogonal to 2.)
   
2. Orthogonal to 3. Universe (visible to us as a central black hole)
3. Our Universe
4. Downstream Universe (orthogonal to 3.) (visible to us as an outer black ring*)
5. Next Universe on (orthogonal to 4.)
   
   [ and so it continues ->- ->- ->- ]

Wouldn't many of these problems dissipate if we imagine a constant motion through fundamental substance?

That constant motion would drive structure formation in fundamental substance.

To be imagined as (with structure formation) - the generation of the cyclical structure given here



... ... ... flying through space (the fundamental substance matrix).

The structure is driven to form because energy (motion through) + fundamental substance (unsynchronized) must generate structure (synchronize).

~*~

... ... So ... ... energy flying through fundamental substance structures fundamental substance into the geometry above (which 'houses' the energy).

The kinetic energy to potential energy transition which permits us the wholly false illusion that 'stuff' isn't moving.

Each cog is an orthogonally arrayed spin-state Universe (each cog/Universe with fixed internal energetic level and continuously infused energetic content).

All that then happens is the fixed energetic content (within each cog) driving the evolutionary formation of optimal structure ** actually within each cog.

** which is where we fit in (though not as it would first seem)

I think that the optimal structure which is being driven within each Universe/cog is of water
- of each cog filling up with water***.

*** which is where we fit in (de novo water generation machines)

~*~

Reality's story
whoosh, bang, whizz****

**** which is where we fit into the cubicle, at least when Frederick has finished.

whoosh,bang,whizz
what a ding dong,
wanna' photograph ?

The 'external' moving multi-versal model of reality which joins forces with 'internalised' emergent energetic evolution to give us the winner of the ToE lottery -

mmmeeeeeemmm !

He will be pleeesed.

[Profpat]

Yeah Pat, but if we took the time to define our differences of meanings of FS, illusions, imaginary, logical, mathematical, mechanics, dimensional, forms, lines, energy, matter, masss, time, on and on__Would we ever meet in agreement...?

Hi lloyd;

Probably not but I do enjoy our discussions from philosophical to metaphysical to mathematical to physical.

Best,

Pat

[SB_UK]

de novo water generation machines

... ... ... where water can capture CMB and where CMB is a property of fundamental substance (the Planck length standing wave matrix) which extends to infinity and operates for eternity.

The basal state of eternity is an unsynchronized Planck length standing wave matrix at 2.725 kelvin.

... ... so what am I trying to suggest?

The generic process of growth -> maintenance (the growth curve found throughout nature (giving meaning to the biblical apocalypse (Malthus)) - described elsewhere on site)
can be seen at the highest level of reality

growth (generation of a machine for making water)
->-
maintenance (the machine makes water)

... ... that growth relates to the generation of some mechanism for autonomous (local) water production
... ... and that maintenance occurs when growth (kinetic energy, linear motion through the fundamental substance) ceases
- all available kinetic energy having been packed away into potential energy

- maintenance occurring with the evolutionary generation of structures (potential energy, spinning on the spot) ... ...
- maintenance occurring with the evolutionary generation (growth phase) of machines for water generation which then power (by transducing energy from eternally extending CMB).

That the more water is generated - the more energy is transduced into local space from the infinitely extending eternally running cosmic microwave background (a matrix which extends to infinity and arises courtesy of the Planck length standing wave from which it is (solely) made up).

That the more energy is transduced into local space - the more evolution is driven.

That there is no limit (since the Planck length matrix powers for eternity and extends to infinity) ... ...
- that there is no limit (once autonomous water generating devices with self-awareness are generated) imposed on our own ever continuing evolution to complexity.

The bible's characterization of man as being special is correct; though only when man is properly human
- where currently as a society we are not special -
we are still savages.

One~wage for all will help us out of the quagmire of corruption we find ourselves in (original sin)
- into a state of equality
- heralded by an actual evolutionary advancement in man, courtesy of an evolutionary advancement in logical structure of mind of man with information accumulated and understood.

... ... that water provides its local environment with energy to structure natural machinery for more water production.

~*~

This might indicate

a pool ball moving linearly on a pool table ->- coming to rest spinning on the table
model of reality.

The linear motion of the Universe drives growth/evolution (of water generation capacity) -
- which when structured into a concentric array of Mobius gears (each now housing the capacity to generate water)

- then spin (statically) - powered autonomously (from within).

The process of growth conferring entities which're able to autonomously regulate and evolve
- an' all offa' their own steam

- the water being produced within each of the cogs acting as a kinda' power source powering static rotation
... ... with ever more water generation resulting in ever more energy availability which is available and must drive continued evolution.

~*~

Summary

(Linear) kinetic energy ->- transition ->- into 'Static' (rotating) potential energy (spinning on the spot)
At rest ('spinning')
... ... self-powering and evolving courtesy of the capacity for de novo generation of water (and hence capacity to recruit more energy into local space from the extended eternal (to infinity) Matrix).