An Idea

[Profpat]

The Bible also had the sequence right. First the heavens (small h plural), hmmm isn't there a small h in physics; it could be anything, strings, electrons, quarks,particles, whatever, and then Light, maybe it was 300,000 years later. I view the days listed in Genesis as steps and not as days. Then on the second day created Heaven, maybe the atom. Then on the 3rd day (step) the Earth could be and was formed.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Well, Prof, I hardly ever talk about God or the Bible, but the created forms were not immutable, and the earth turned out not to be the center of anything, and there was no firmament, so… minus 3 big ones for the Bible.

[Profpat]

OK back on the subject:


The basic unit ("quantum") of electromagnetic radiation (and therefore light), usually denoted . Photons were first postulated by Planck, whose measurements of the blackbody spectrum showed that electromagnetic radiation had to come in discrete units, which were dubbed "photons" by the chemist Gilbert Lewis in 1926 (Griffiths 1987, p. 15).

The energy of a photon of frequency is given by

where h is Planck's constant. Because the energy of photons is directly proportional to their frequency, low-energy photons have low frequencies, while high-energy photons have high frequencies. Low-energy photons are called radio waves or microwaves, medium-energy photons are called light (or light waves, or visible light), high-energy photons are called X-rays, while those having higher energy still are called gamma rays.
Compton Effect, Compton Scattering, Cosmic Background Radiation, Electromagnetic Radiation, Free-Streaming Photons, Gamma Ray, Light, Microwave, Pair Production, Photino, Photoelectric Effect, Photomultiplier Tube, Poynting-Robertson Effect, Radio Wave, X-Ray


So what I'm thinking is maybe h is the fundamental substance. It is a constant, I believe the smallest possible quantum of energy, if I can view it as a quantum.

Sorry the formula that didn't come through is"
E = hv (where v is the frequency)

[Profpat]

Off topic but interesting:

Table 1 Earth's Major Motions

Motion.................................................. .............................Speed

• Rotation on axis...........................................1,0 00 miles/hour (at equator)
  Revolution around the sun..............................66,600 miles/hour
  Solar-system travel around the galaxy...............500,000 miles/hour
  Overall motion of the galaxy........................1.1 million miles/hour
  
  No wonder I need naps.

[Profpat]

Well, Prof, I hardly ever talk about God or the Bible, but the created forms were not immutable, and the earth turned out not to be the center of anything, and there was no firmament, so… minus 3 big ones for the Bible.

Ok Austin;

I'm not sure what mutable or immutable has to do with our discussion. Could you clarify? I think it was Aristotle and Ptolemy who put Earth at the center. I don't believe the Bible addresses that issue. Though if the universe is infinite then there would be no center or everyplace is it's center.

That Heaven which is a firmamennt (dome/sphere) in the midst of the waters (waves), seperates the waters (waves). This sounds like a real particle (place).

I have to admit I have a real respect for Genesis 1. Of all the creations myths it is the only one that can be "fitted" to science. To me, too much of a coincidence. And so like the TAO symbol and the Buddhist Here and Now, and the Hindu's Bindu Dot, I extract what I view as enlightenment where I can find it. Always keep an open mind my friend.

Best,

Pat

[Felix Schrodinger]

Dynamic, Pat.

Cat naps?

[Max™]

I have been thinking about Lloyds FS and the photon. The photon is really incredible, it can be considered as a point, a wave, a particle, and even as a line (vector, direction). It really depends on how you view it. I believe it is a good example of interdimensional sequencing. Starts as a point in time when mass is converted to energy. That action is now traveling at light speed creating the line (wave) which goes perpendicular twice creating our 3D (the reaction). It is fundamental.

What if you consider a photon as a whole?

The entire thing, stretched taut from one end of time to the other... what do you get then?

[Profpat]

What if you consider a photon as a whole?

The entire thing, stretched taut from one end of time to the other... what do you get then?

I haven't yet. A string.

[Fredrick]

Lloyd, I find Fredrick, who I consider an internet friend, to be neither, nuts, crazy, and most certainly not evil. Rather I always found him to be a gentleman, whose theory I don't necessarily share. So while you are entitled to your opinions maybe express them on your thread or PM.

Thanks,

Pat

Thank you, Pat, for providing a basic behavior for all of us in your thread. After all, everything is based on something, and rules can be such a something. And while I do not want to diminish your help, I also am not too much interested in how appropriate or not words are, not even when they paint me in a negative light. After all, Lloyd's words are his, my words are mine, and they speak and about the ToE and about the person. Naturally, I desire to share my thoughts to such extent that the other person can see the contents of my words, but if that does not happen (and if the conversation does not bore everyone else to non-existence), then the conversation can still be a means to get one's ideas across for others.

What I appreciate about Lloyd is that he is very knowledgeable. He knows a lot, and he shares a lot of his knowledge. I also like that he has declared not to have a ToE. But, as I view Lloyd's position from that overall perspective, I come across the paradox that he and states there is no overall theory and that he does not have evidence for that otherwise firm position. One cannot declare a truth (and please note that stating something is always not there is a delivery of something as a truth) and then not back it up.

This indicates to me that - while using the pyramid as a display of positions - he claims to not take in the top position of the overall pyramid, while stating no one can take in the top position of the overall pyramid. The paradox is that the latter is identical to taking in the top position. Basically, he should agree with me that the top position is empty, but he does not, rejecting the idea that an empty position is fundamental to existence. He makes it therefore difficult for me to communicate, because he takes in the empty spot of his own pyramid and does not see he is just using his own pyramid — he extrapolates his own position to the overall position. It is a challenge, and as long as I do not hear too many complaints from others, I will continue the challenge until I am worn out myself.

But your position is much appreciated, Pat.

[Fredrick]

So, the newest stars of a galaxy would be near the black hole center and the oldest ones out at the edge? Or what?

As you know, Austin, I do not view the black hole as containing much, yet it is central in the galaxy. I view the black hole as the center of the galactic disk, itself a rotating gravitational field. Gravity is not held at the center, but rather the gravitational anchor of the galaxy is found throughout — collective gravity at work.

To view the center of a galaxy as the 'single' gravitational center is using the solar system's gravitational structure and placing it on a galaxy. If that were true, I would have expected the galaxy to be far rounder throughout than we do now. Galaxies are in general far more disk-like than pointing to a single gravitational spot at the center with a mighty black hole.

Just like the solar system is of a single age, the galaxy should be considered of a single age. Formations and reformations can occur at any time, so we can point to different ages in a galaxy, but I believe that cannot be done for the occurrence of matter itself unless it has moved through a full cycle of becoming non-materialized and then materialized again. I do not think this happens at the black hole, except that is where matter gets blown to pieces if they get stuck there, and then spewed out.