An Idea

[Max™]

I haven't yet. A string.

What is special about that string though?

What properties would cause it to appear like a photon if viewed from a single position in time?

[Fredrick]

Ok Austin;

I'm not sure what mutable or immutable has to do with our discussion. Could you clarify? I think it was Aristotle and Ptolemy who put Earth at the center. I don't believe the Bible addresses that issue. Though if the universe is infinite then there would be no center or everyplace is it's center.

That Heaven which is a firmamennt (dome/sphere) in the midst of the waters (waves), seperates the waters (waves). This sounds like a real particle (place).

I have to admit I have a real respect for Genesis 1. Of all the creations myths it is the only one that can be "fitted" to science. To me, too much of a coincidence. And so like the TAO symbol and the Buddhist Here and Now, and the Hindu's Bindu Dot, I extract what I view as enlightenment where I can find it. Always keep an open mind my friend.

Best,

Pat

I believe the Popol Vu also describes something similar, Pat. They, too, discovered the number zero by themselves, so that would make sense.


Though if the universe is infinite then there would be no center or everyplace is it's center.

Einstein's relativity is the answer here, so the sentence needs to be adjusted in one spot: "Though if the universe is infinite then there would be no center or everyplace is it's own center." The conlcusion is then not that the universe is multi-centered, rather the overall universe is that result that is not singular in being. Just like 'family' is not something that is singular in being (it is one-removed from the actual entities).

[Max™]

As you know, Austin, I do not view the black hole as containing much, yet it is central in the galaxy. I view the black hole as the center of the galactic disk, itself a rotating gravitational field. Gravity is not held at the center, but rather the gravitational anchor of the galaxy is found throughout — collective gravity at work.

To view the center of a galaxy as the 'single' gravitational center is using the solar system's gravitational structure and placing it on a galaxy. If that were true, I would have expected the galaxy to be far rounder throughout than we do now. Galaxies are in general far more disk-like than pointing to a single gravitational spot at the center with a mighty black hole.

Just like the solar system is of a single age, the galaxy should be considered of a single age. Formations and reformations can occur at any time, so we can point to different ages in a galaxy, but I believe that cannot be done for the occurrence of matter itself unless it has moved through a full cycle of becoming non-materialized and then materialized again.

The black hole is a result of the massive amount of matter in the galactic disc, not the cause of it, is perhaps what you were trying to get at?

[Fredrick]

The black hole is a result of the massive amount of matter in the galactic disc, not the cause of it, is perhaps what you were trying to get at?

That is more or less what I am saying, Max. I see the galactic disk as a giant giro, and matter is distributed within this giro in a non-homogenous way. Due to the forces, the matter within a galaxy is held together much like people holding hands while circling around in a group. There is nothing in the middle, yet again due to all the forces, individual entities — planets, stars — can get pulled towards the center of the gravitational disk. Yet with nothing there, the entity would either overshoot the central empty location or when it does get stuck there, it would be torn up like a person tied to four horses going in all directions. The spewing points of the galaxy are the singular spots (two of them, one on each side) where the four forces are in balance and the matter that was trapped at the black hole can escape.

I do not know in which quantities matter gets trapped and spewed out at a black hole compared to the matter that gets attracted and then dislodged at the black hole spot and thrown back into the galactic disk.

[Felix Schrodinger]

The black hole is a result of the massive amount of matter in the galactic disc, not the cause of it.......

Suppostion on your part, Max.

[Max™]

Suppostion on your part, Max.

Supposition that general relativity is at least applicable enough in broad ways to allow the description of a galaxy to be calculated in a manner which is remotely similar to that of reality, perhaps.

If GR is anything like correct, then what I said is more right than wrong.


If anything it is more of a mutual connection, in that a galactic predecessor cloud with enough mass to produce a spiral eventually would produce clusters of supermassive stars which would surely produce black holes that would merge over the billions of years of history between the intial stellar death and the present day.

[Fredrick]

Supposition on your part, Max.

I do not understand this remark, Felix? Whether the black hole is there as an actual entity or the black hole is there as a result is always a supposition, is it not? Of the two, I would say, the black hole being a mere result of the interactions of matter is the easier one to understand, while the other of it being of matter itself but of the invisible kind requires a certain amount of belief.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

What I appreciate about Lloyd is that he is very knowledgeable. He knows a lot, and he shares a lot of his knowledge. I also like that he has declared not to have a ToE. But as I view Lloyd's position from that overall perspective, I come across the paradox that he and states there is no overall theory and that he does not have evidence for that otherwise firm position. One cannot declare a truth (and please note that stating something is always absent is a delivery of something as a truth) and then not back it up.

Hi Fredrick, and let me give you the firm evidence you have missed, as you probably haven't followed my complete statements...

Firm Positions: We are a bio-creature, open system, looking at the open Universal System's future closing hydrodynamics__A logically required state of Rads Eternity, thus requiring them to be infinite, due to hydrodynamics' absolute mechanical wave symmetry necessities__due to asymmetry decay__at Finite Field Decay Limit__Re-Structuring Re-Cycle...

The Ground State Laws of Innate Esthetic Ratio Logic & Math...

Logic only functions as an eternal state, due to having imagination__The infinite tool of theorizing__It can exist no other way, as we are only the bio-finite-creatures of the infinite Universe's formation logic. We are just simple inderpreters of the Universe's Laws of Ratio Logics and Maths...

The Non-State of Non-Existence Is The Ground State of Necessary Existence__Logical Necessity__Eternally, Everywhere__Infinitely__The logicality of FS matter/energy/waves, always reforming uniform structures, which decay and reform, over and over and over à ∞...

The non-state of non-logic's impossibility, i.e., "field is absolutely required to be everywhere, for anything to be anywhere", is the absolute ground state of logic's necessity, i.e., the necessity of field, to have any absolutely required FS, to begin with, in the beginning of no possible beginning, only a reformation of structured matter, after total finite decay to infinitesimal FS...

FS__You have no other logic possible__No other logic exists__Thus FS is the only necessary logic possible...

The non-state of non-existence impossibility, i.e., "field is absolutely required to be everywhere, for anything to be anywhere", is the absolute ground state of existence necessity, i.e., the necessity of eternal, infinite field, to have any absolutely required FS, to begin with, in the beginning of no possible beginning__only a reformation of structured matter, after total finite decay to infinitesimal FS__The uncertainty principle only holds in the decay process, until the certainty principle of wave symmetry's hydrodynamic mechanics, self-reverses the decay process, to build/form another structured Universe__Anew...

No logic impossibiligy, is the necessity of possibility logic...

This indicates to me that - while using the pyramid as a display of positions - he does not take in the top position of the overall pyramid, while stating no one can take in the top position of the overall pyramid. Basically, he should agree with me that the top position is empty, but he does not, rejecting the idea that an empty position is fundamental to existence. He makes it therefore difficult for me to communicate, because he takes in the empty spot of his own pyramid and denies it is just his own pyramid. It is a challenge, and as long as I do not hear too many complaints from others, I will continue the challenge until I am worn out myself.

The Non-State of Non-Logic's Impossibility, Is The Ground State of Logic's Necessity, i.e., The Absolute Requirement of Eternal/Infinite Field and FS...

The Absolute Ground State Laws of Logic & Math__Esthetic Ratio Logic__Esthetic Ratio Math...

Multi-frequency memory storage__Color frequencies = #1 frequencies__Key to mind mechanics...

Plato, Ibn Sina, Kant, Peirce and Hintikka allowed us to see into the future__Iff we but know what tools to use, and how to use them properly...

FS Formation Physics, from all the finite uncertainty rads, being eventually turned by the certainty of the symmetry, at limit, of hydrodynamic necessity__No other sound esthetic ratio logic and mathematical mechanics possible, or probable__as symmetric field rad necessity, at limit, requires it__The Universe either turns its rad wave asymmetries, into rad wave symmetries__or it continues into the infinite field__never to return. We know it turns and returns, as it's here__and all science and religion, by their own necessary logics, require eternity, thus requiring infinity, by the very nature of this symmetric field logic__There's no escape__Field is absolutely required by the logical asymmetry and symmetry path integrals, to be everywhere__all the way to infinity, far beyond CMBR, as the CMBR is radiating it's own light cone__Out into this infinite, everywhere, ground field...

A proper functioning logic and math, requires a proper functioning esthetic imagination__Imagination is our infinite epistemic tool, yet if I be 64 years old, and a bio-creature__My rad-field is only 64 light years in size, iff, it even survives that far in all the stronger em rads. Incoming rads can be of finite or infinite field/s sources__Outgoing are finite to us, as we are finite beings, yet some may be infinite, iff, strong enough to survive the Universal Rad Field/s...

Decrease of structure by decay, absolutely requires an increase of structure Re-Formation, for any possible Universe to be possible, due to the Laws of Eternal Time__The Universe exists__so logic necessity dictates its re-cycle in the past...

Radiation is an open system, that by logic's necessity__Hydrodynamically closes at limit. The only way to close is eternally infinite field/s absolutely necessary existence...

It Takes 3 Eyes To Prove truth__1 Eye On Logic__1 Eye On Math__1 Eye On Ground...!

How does one know the difference between boutique academic ideology and knowledge...?

The Absolute Genericity = Triadism...

But your position is much appreciated, Pat.

[Fredrick]

Hi Fredrick, and let me give you the firm evidence you have missed, as you probably haven't followed my complete statements...

Firm Positions: We are a bio-creature, open system, looking at the open Universal System's future closing hydrodynamics__A logically required state of Rads Eternity, thus requiring them to be infinite, due to hydrodynamics' absolute mechanical wave symmetry necessities__due to asymmetry decay__at Finite Field Decay Limit__Re-Structuring Re-Cycle...

The Ground State Laws of Innate Esthetic Ratio Logic & Math...

Logic only functions as an eternal state, due to having imagination__The infinite tool of theorizing__It can exist no other way, as we are only the bio-finite-creatures of the infinite Universe's formation logic. We are just simple inderpreters of the Universe's Laws of Ratio Logics and Maths...

The Non-State of Non-Existence Is The Ground State of Necessary Existence__Logical Necessity__Eternally, Everywhere__Infinitely__The logicality of FS matter/energy/waves, always reforming uniform structures, which decay and reform, over and over and over à ∞...

The non-state of non-logic's impossibility, i.e., "field is absolutely required to be everywhere, for anything to be anywhere", is the absolute ground state of logic's necessity, i.e., the necessity of field, to have any absolutely required FS, to begin with, in the beginning of no possible beginning, only a reformation of structured matter, after total finite decay to infinitesimal FS...

FS__You have no other logic possible__No other logic exists__Thus FS is the only necessary logic possible...

The non-state of non-existence impossibility, i.e., "field is absolutely required to be everywhere, for anything to be anywhere", is the absolute ground state of existence necessity, i.e., the necessity of eternal, infinite field, to have any absolutely required FS, to begin with, in the beginning of no possible beginning__only a reformation of structured matter, after total finite decay to infinitesimal FS__The uncertainty principle only holds in the decay process, until the certainty principle of wave symmetry's hydrodynamic mechanics, self-reverses the decay process, to build/form another structured Universe__Anew...

No logic impossibiligy, is the necessity of possibility logic...



The Non-State of Non-Logic's Impossibility, Is The Ground State of Logic's Necessity, i.e., The Absolute Requirement of Eternal/Infinite Field and FS...

The Absolute Ground State Laws of Logic & Math__Esthetic Ratio Logic__Esthetic Ratio Math...

Multi-frequency memory storage__Color frequencies = #1 frequencies__Key to mind mechanics...

Plato, Ibn Sina, Kant, Peirce and Hintikka allowed us to see into the future__Iff we but know what tools to use, and how to use them properly...

FS Formation Physics, from all the finite uncertainty rads, being eventually turned by the certainty of the symmetry, at limit, of hydrodynamic necessity__No other sound esthetic ratio logic and mathematical mechanics possible, or probable__as symmetric field rad necessity, at limit, requires it__The Universe either turns its rad wave asymmetries, into rad wave symmetries__or it continues into the infinite field__never to return. We know it turns and returns, as it's here__and all science and religion, by their own necessary logics, require eternity, thus requiring infinity, by the very nature of this symmetric field logic__There's no escape__Field is absolutely required by the logical asymmetry and symmetry path integrals, to be everywhere__all the way to infinity, far beyond CMBR, as the CMBR is radiating it's own light cone__Out into this infinite, everywhere, ground field...

A proper functioning logic and math, requires a proper functioning esthetic imagination__Imagination is our infinite epistemic tool, yet if I be 64 years old, and a bio-creature__My rad-field is only 64 light years in size, iff, it even survives that far in all the stronger em rads. Incoming rads can be of finite or infinite field/s sources__Outgoing are finite to us, as we are finite beings, yet some may be infinite, iff, strong enough to survive the Universal Rad Field/s...

Decrease of structure by decay, absolutely requires an increase of structure Re-Formation, for any possible Universe to be possible, due to the Laws of Eternal Time__The Universe exists__so logic necessity dictates its re-cycle in the past...

Radiation is an open system, that by logic's necessity__Hydrodynamically closes at limit. The only way to close is eternally infinite field/s absolutely necessary existence...

It Takes 3 Eyes To Prove truth__1 Eye On Logic__1 Eye On Math__1 Eye On Ground...!

How does one know the difference between boutique academic ideology and knowledge...?

The Absolute Genericity = Triadism...

We have been here before, Lloyd. The information you provide is already incorporated in the pyramid in such a manner that the one eye on the ground is the basis for the pyramid, the one eye on the math is the abstraction found between bottom and top of the pyramid, and the one eye on logic is found in top. Of course we can talk much about the specific realms of where exactly the delineation occurs, and we can, for instance, suggest that logic has its place not just at the top but also throughout the pyramid; still, the pyramid is at the abstract level a finished tool (and we only need two eyes to see it).

It is not that difficult, Lloyd, and we do not have to bring a whole lot of difficult words to explain it or use it. The top position is empty and can, for instance, be used to theorize, exactly as you say but refuse to acknowledge as such.

[Profpat]

What is special about that string though?

What properties would cause it to appear like a photon if viewed from a single position in time?

Nothing. I don't know what a photon appears like, but if viewed without movement probably like a point particle.