An Idea

[melanie]

Hi Melanie;

Awareness, senations, consciousness are all things. The True Nothing to me is the VOID no awareness, nothing to be aware of, no senations, nothing to be sensitive to, no consciousness, nothing to be conscious of. So I'm with Lloyd there has to be SOMETHING, and I believe with at least an imbued natural physical code.

Best,

Pat

Hi Pat.

One cannot know the concept 'something' without knowing the concept 'nothing' and vice versa.
They go hand in hand like the yin yang symbol.

They both exist simultaneously, do you see what I mean?

[Mikal]

Hi Mikal;

I'm a great believer in the I Ching, movement and position, complementary. I use only the base trigrams in my An Idea but I believe it explains the inner dynamics of the proton which is made up of 3 quarks and the interactive domains they form.

Best,

Pat

The Tetractys or Axioma exists in Physics….the schema describes a regular pattern inherent in certain sub-atomic particles as discovered in modern physics which shows that the tetractys has value at levels other than biological, psychological and metaphysical.

In the 1930s there were three kinds of sub-atomic particles—electrons, protons and neutrons. These were considered the fundamental building blocks of all matter. By the 1960s there were vastly more than three particles found through experimentation with particle accelerators and the analysis of cosmic rays. Like the basic three, they had their own unique qualities—electric charge, spin, lifetime etc. Many were related to the proton but were heavier in mass due to higher levels of energy which when released would deduce them to protons.

By the 1960s, physicist Murray Gell-Mann postulated the existence of smaller particles (quarks) that made up these heavier particles. Quarks were real according to Gell-Mann where their strangeness and the addition of two new quarks “up and down” were necessary postulates so that combinations of the three could make all protons and all the relatives of protons.

Calder (The Key to the Universe) makes clear that upness and downess and strangeness all represented real and distinguishable qualities of matter, comparable in cosmic status with electric charge. Whether on earth or reactions in the heart of the sun, nature kept careful accounts of them. Different rations of the various qualities of matter.
The Tetractys—the “baryon decuplet” shows the hadrons (strongly interacting heavy particles) formed from the different quark combinations which fit the 4-3-2-1 configuration. The baryon decuplet and its four particles, Delta, Sigma, Cascade and Omega.

Quarks fit neatly into the Tetractys configuration, the sub-atomic world follows simple structural rules and by the 4-3-2-1 pattern, it is shown how simple arithmetic and geometric laws give physicists the means by which they could postulate an elegant theoretical sub-structure underlying the building blocks of matter.

Most of this information available by Lance Storm the author of The Enigma of Numbers.

Regards Mikal

[melanie]

Hi Melanie;

Awareness, senations, consciousness are all things. The True Nothing to me is the VOID no awareness, nothing to be aware of, no senations, nothing to be sensitive to, no consciousness, nothing to be conscious of. So I'm with Lloyd there has to be SOMETHING, and I believe with at least an imbued natural physical code.

Best,

Pat

But what about in deep dreamless sleep Pat.

When there is no awareness of the world, no sensation, no feelings, no pain, no thoughts, no nothing... do you call this the void?

If it is, then we return to our source every time we fall into deep sleep, yes?

But in deep sleep awareness is still present, the heart still beats, and the breathing still happens,
so the void is never really empty is it, rather, it is pulsating with energy life, am i making sense ?

Are we saying the same things, just differently?

[Profpat]

I woluld view oblivion, before I was born, as the void, and to which I may return. I like deep dreamless sleep though.

[melanie]

The Entrained Mind has arrived at it's destination never having left the Station.

[melanie]

But what about in deep dreamless sleep Pat.

When there is no awareness of the world, no sensation, no feelings, no pain, no thoughts, no nothing... do you call this the void?

If it is, then we return to our source every time we fall into deep sleep, yes?

But in deep sleep awareness is still present, (Because awareness is all there IS) the heart still beats, and the breathing still happens.

Perhaps the confusion regarding both our identity and that of the apparent mind,
body and world is as simple as this:
we confuse that which we are aware of with that which is aware.


Hi every no one, when we understand these basic empty principles everything else will fall into place effortlessly all by it's no self...

There is No Doer

Just like the heart and lungs, the mind is going and going all by itself. The problem is that we identify that automatic random thinking as being "me", when it's not. Since you can watch the mind and it's thinkingness, you are not the mind. This means that only Awareness (that is aware of the mind) is Reality, and the ego/mind is an illusion, and there is no individual "I". The only real "I" is the Totality of All Existence as formless Unmanifested Infinite Awareness that is aware of Itself.
Translation: There is no doer.

http://www.thetruthsoflife.com/thereisnodoer.html

Bye.

[melanie]

I woluld view oblivion, before I was born, as the void, and to which I may return. I like deep dreamless sleep though.

So then, to speak of that knowing, means you are the void.

This presence knows itself. But Who and What is this presence? Awareness is.

You do not go to the void, neither do you leave it. Because you are it. You are the void.

You have never been born, you have never died, you are awareness, that is who you are absolutely.

You are the awareness of the birth and death of yourself,
and because that awareness is you being aware of that right now, then birth and death is only an illusion, it's not real.
Only awareness is real. The self, in reality is nowhere to be found.It's only an idea in awareness.

The mind/ the conscious awareness, cannot imagine the void,
even though that's what the mind basically is, so it starts to fill in the gaps, by turning nothing into something.
We imagine, make it all up, to fill in the void that we are.
The mind attaches itself to the next arising thought and of identifications, objects etc.
When you have purified body and mind and learnt to control your thoughts and senses
you become more and more able to see the empty spaces between all of the phenomenon that arises in your mind.

We are empty and full simultaneously.
Empty as in awareness, and full as in the stuff the mind creates, we are the sum total of all our memories only (Existential Void)
If we construct our lives without taking the Void into account,
we build on the sands of illusion, and such castles will fall.

I hope I've said that right, I know I sometimes confuse even myself while trying to explain this Non Dual reality.

[Profpat]

Thinking about my Idea and the 3 quarks and dynamic colorful force it represents. One model could be matter the other could be antimatter. In the additive process (lights) red, green, blue, and white are in the positive spaces. In the subtractive process (printing) yellow, cyan, magenta, and black are in the positve spaces.

[Max™]

Hi Max;

Just thought I would share some thoughts regarding your post.

Best,

Pat

You can put an infinite number of lines through any point.

You can put an infinite number of points within a line.

You can not put an infinite number of lines within a point.

To locate a point you must have lines through it, but to define it you need only a way to distinguish it from other points, an identity does not require a background, but a background requires an identity.


If x1 = banana7, then x1 = x1, and x2 does not equal banana7, thus x1 =/= x2.

Any line through x1 can be defined as possessing that identity, yet x1 can not be uniquely defined as the point which that line passes through, as any number of lines can be drawn through it.

You can define x1 as the point which line a and line b pass through, and even include the angle at which they meet, but that is an aspect of the lines, not the point.

[Profpat]

Hi Max;

I kind of forget what we were discussing. I may be wrong on this but I thought you could have an infinite number of CURVES, not lines, within a point.

If: x1 = banans7: then 2 (x1) = 2 (bananas7)

What was the substance of our discussion? Maybe that was it, do points and lines and curves have substance?

Best,

Pat