An Idea

[Mikal]

Hi Mikal

It's easier to call it by its proper name - the 'aether'.

regards
Felix

Thank you Felix, I was kind of just rambling from the book itself. Believe me, I am a novice here and could not even stand on one leg when it comes to the knowledge you guys have assimilated in years of study. If it's aether, then why is it given all kinds of different names? Why don't scientists get together and decide more its characteristics than what we shall call it?? As a novice I just keep wondering about these things. I mean is the aether, the metaphysical, a metaphysical world just like we have a physical world, a zero-point field, a place of quantum laws?? I guess this is why I find science complex.


Regards Mikal

[Profpat]

Hi Mikal;

I believe Space, Space time fabric or Continuum, is the Ether ("Aether"). The Void however is NO-THING. No time, no space no motion.

Best,

Pat

P.S. While the courts have upheld that I'm an expert witness, it's in the area of accounting and not physics or science. I believe it is my ignorance in these areas that allow me to imagine impossilble things, which just may be possible.

[Mikal]

Okay Prof....so two different spaces. Thats interesting because what I garner from the book is that the void, as you explain it with the characteristics of no thing, no time, no space, no motion Haisch refers to as the "light" and says it can be looked at as "like an echo" of that which throughout time man has always called "God." He postulates that from the early esoteric viewpoint it would be what they referred to as the Ein Soph and which he calls, "the zero-point field."

Thanks for clarifying you are all talking about two spaces...lol...

Maybe your expertise in Accounting enables you to have a better grasp of "Systems." I have my Accounting papers too and can admit it has worked in that way for me.


Regards Mikal

[Mikal]

Okay Prof…maybe you guys can help me figure this out in reference to the characteristic “no motion.”

Haisch says the zero-point field is comparable to an old-fashioned grandfather clock with its pendulum swinging back and forth and if its not winded friction will bring the pendulum to a stop. He then says to imagine a pendulum, which gets smaller and smaller—so small it ultimately becomes atomic in size and subject to the laws of quantum physics. He then discusses the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle where no quantum object, such as a microscopic pendulum can ever be brought completely to rest and will always possess a residual random jiggle.
He then discusses transmission or receiving of electromagnetic waves, different frequencies of light.

He states, “Now back to Heisenberg. It is standard procedure in quantum theory to apply the HUP to electromagnetic waves, since electric and magnetic fields flowing through space oscillate as a pendulum does. According to that principle, at every possible frequency, there will always be a tiny bit of EM jiggling going on. And if you add up all the ceaseless fluctuations, you get a background sea of light whose total energy is enormous. This is the electromagnetic zero-point field.

In his reference here to space—is he referring here to the space-time fabric or the void? I mean do scientists see space as different spaces? Just a tad confused here as to space is this and space is that—I mean how do they determine boundaries so to speak?
If I am right out to lunch here just tell me so…lol…

Regards Mikal

[Profpat]

Hi Mikal;

Everything in our universe moves, it's all moving fields or interactions which makes up Everything. The problem with the void is that physicists figured out that it's impossible for a void to be in our universe. I agree the Void is outside our universe and is nothing. The scientific community for the most part won't deal with the issue because it's not physical and therefore conjecture.

You're right accounting is an excellent discipline to help you think conceptually, because it is a conceptual information system.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

From the internet which I found interesting:

[austintorn@aol.com]

"Void" Not Void
Of Capability

The idea of the Universe
Being the result of a Quantum fluctuation
Was first proposed by E.P Tryon.

At first his proposal was greeted as a joke.
Today this idea dominants Quantum Cosmology.

If you look at what a Quantum fluctuation
Of the vacuum it has a particular character.
For an example a fluctuation
Of the electromagnetic field
Is modeled at the creation-annihilation
Of an electron and a positron,
(Accompanied by a photon
Connecting the creation
And annihilation vertex ).

Because this is a creation
Of positive energy and negative particle
This process involves no violation
Of energy conservation
At the micro level.

The energy and momentum
Sum to zero at each vertex.

[Felix Schrodinger]

What assumptions Felix?

Suggest you watch the programme Pat.

[Felix Schrodinger]

If it's aether, then why is it given all kinds of different names? Why don't scientists get together and decide more its characteristics than what we shall call it??.......... I mean is the aether, the metaphysical, a metaphysical world just like we have a physical world, a zero-point field, a place of quantum laws??

Hi Mikal

We once had a 'luminiferous aether' but then a group of influential scientists decided, based on the falacious interpretation of physical experiments, that it could not exist. Mentioning 'the aether' then became equivalent to commiting professional suicide for any self respecting scientist. However, there are many aspects of physics that require some sort of 'background' for them to have a rational explanation so we have invented all sorts of alternative titles, the commonest of which is Einstein's 'spacetime'. String theory is 'background dependent' but the term 'aether' is never mentioned in that context.

The vacuum energy is the physical manifestation of the aether though not the aether itself. If we look for possible links between the physical world and the metaphysical then you need something to underlie our real world to provide such a framework. For me, the aether provides the link between them being, in religious terms, an aspect of Brahma.

Why do I use the term 'aether' whilst most on this site say 'ether'. Well as we are writing in English, I prefer the proper spelling being a grammar school cat. 'Ether' is a colourless organic liquid used as an anaesthetic.

regards
Felix

[Profpat]

Encyclopedia
ether

ether or aether,in physics and astronomy, a hypothetical medium for transmitting light and heat (radiation), filling all unoccupied space; it is also called luminiferous ether. In Newtonian physics all waves are propagated through a medium, e.g., water waves through water, sound waves through air. When James Clerk Maxwell developed his electromagnetic theory of light, Newtonian physicists postulated ether as the medium that transmitted electromagnetic waves

I believe it can be spelled either way Felix.