[Drifter]

Do Hydrogen Oxygen or Helium have mass?
Arent the "circles" labelled "H" and "O", just representations of another massless/aetheric dimension?
The "circle" representaions could be said to have mass[i.e. body]. But they merely point to what is not.

Originally Posted by dipayankar

This creates a confusion now.. If neutrinos do not have mass, then how are they generated?? What is the source??

[MJA]

[quote=Felix Schrodinger;46238]

The main reason that physics is in such a mess is it's general rejection of the aether which arose from the acceptance of Relativity and the Michelson Morley experiments. Certainly quote


Hi Felix,

You are right on with your assessment of the mess of science today.
But I also see that your focus or certainty of it's cause is still somewhat vague.
Perhaps this will help.
You see that by removing the aether mankind or science has removed the unity that holds the universe together. And that furthermore you believe gravity is that missing link. Am I right about you?
If so,
I would suggest that the unity is not missing at all, that it is science, and it's flawed usage of measure, that has created the uncertainty, the untrue division or seperation of a universe that is truly united and or truly one. The aether you look for to hold it together is simply nature itself. By removing any uncertainty, theories, faiths, measure itself, the universe is united by the force of one. Mathematically the equation for this unity or oneness is simply = .
To help you understand, try this. Your hand is different than your arm, yet they are simply the oneness of you. What do you call that connection of yourself, aether, gravity, body, or is it simply the undivided truth?
Mankind divides the universal truth of one. Oops!
And then science ask what's wrong.

I truly like your thoughts and hope this helps,
Be one!

=
MJA

[Drifter]

Nature, is an anabolic-steroid.
Man, is a parabolic-reflection.

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

This creates a confusion now.. If neutrinos do not have mass, then how are they generated?? What is the source??

Neutrinos may have mass Dipayankar;


Neutrino Mass?

No definite mass has been measured for the neutrino, and the standard comment about most experiments is "the results are consistent with zero mass for the neutrino". But this raises certain theoretical problems and there have been many attempts to set a range for the mass of the neutrino. Since its mass is evidently very small, if non-zero, the mass is usually stated in terms of its energy equivalent in electron volts. Most experiments conclude that the mass equivalent of the neutrino is less than 50 eV.

For the most part they were created at the "Big Bang"
though they are created today from nuclear reactions.

Best,

Pat

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by Profpat

Thanks for the link Felix. It is an ingenious way you have the proton attached to the neutron. If you continue though with a helium atom how would the 2 protons and2 neutrons attach. Wouldn't that necessitate a proton having a charge of +2.

Hi Profpat

Sorry for the delay but I had not addressed the strong force wrt the helium nucleus. A possible configuration is attached but this bears a lot more resemblance to my face than yours!

Please don't ask about the electron as I have not configured that yet.

all the best

Felix

PS - regards to your grandson, who obviously takes after his grandaddy, but he still has too little fur on his face.

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by MJA

You are right on with your assessment of the mess of science today.
But I also see that your focus or certainty of it's cause is still somewhat vague.Perhaps this will help.You see that by removing the aether mankind or science has removed the unity that holds the universe together. And that furthermore you believe gravity is that missing link. Am I right about you?

Hi MJ

I am saying that the rejection of the 'aether' concept or backgroung dependency is the main source of the problem with physics today. Futhermore, we do not have to look very far to find what the underlying structure actually is. There are enough clues out there already and my own feeling is that it is the 'gravitational field' (not just 'gravity' which is the effect of bending of the field in the presence of mass) that provides the basic structure. This has to take on-board such issues as Higgs and String Theory but that's for another day?

regards
Felix

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by Felix Schrodinger

Hi Profpat

Sorry for the delay but I had not addressed the strong force wrt the helium nucleus. A possible configuration is attached but this bears a lot more resemblance to my face than yours!

Please don't ask about the electron as I have not configured that yet.

all the best

Felix

PS - regards to your grandson, who obviously takes after his grandaddy, but he still has too little fur on his face.

That could work Felix. I'm not that familiar with the Higgs Boson, except that it's a necessary hypothetical particle required by the standard model. I believe there are theories that try to address, or replace, the need for a Higgs Boson by introducing concepts called technicoloror and top color, but I'm not that familiar with those ideas either.

It does appear that your concept could explain the strong nuclear force. In your theory is the weak nuclear force tied into the strong force?

As I previously stated I lumped both of them as manisfestation of the electro/magnetic force.

Best to you Felix,

Pat

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by Profpat;46278[SIZE=2

It does appear that your concept could explain the strong nuclear force. In your theory is the weak nuclear force tied into the strong force?Pat

Hi Pat

No, the weak force is completely different and I have a model in my head for it but it's not yet fully formulated. All of the forces relate to E/M but in different ways - that's why they exhibit different effects.

regards
Felix

[Profpat]

Well keep on working on it Felix. I speculate that all forces are either attractive or repulsive. This is more evident at the E/M level where we can see that like kind repel and opposites attract. I believe this to be true with gravity and gamma rays. It's my thought that black holes are like a miny big bang. When it's fully compressed it explodes into a Quasar, ( gamma radiation ).

Please keep me informed of your progress and ideas which are most interesting. Including weak nuclear and gravity.

Best to you sir,

Pat

[Profpat]

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