[Drifter]

Very poingnant Sir,
and Thank you for sharing.
Nothing is coincedental, so they say:
I had at one time a .25 cal. sleeping pill at the ready,
realized ego would win -being the ultimate solution to the temporary problem-
and power won out over force.
"Empathy", I know not from where it comes, but I am thankful that it flows.
"Things aren't always what they seem."
Would Pantheism qualify as a womb with a view?
Spinoza might certainly agree, along with several millon other adherents, don't you think.

Bravo Profpat
*Namaste` Brother/Self

*"The Spirit within me Recognizes, Honors and Greets The Spirit with you"

aka; "The Utterly Trustworthy Parental Spirit", no room for two (ego) in Here"

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Drifter; First let me say I appreciate the banter, and agree with your posts. I think I'm going to get a bit deeper and personal here, but this is my thread, and may be instrumental in understanding my Idea. When I was 33 about 30 years ago, I was going through a divorce and very depressed, ( and at that time agnostic ). I was at home alone, when I called my wife, who was now in another state with my children, that I was contemplating suicide. She said " Pat I can't handle this " and hung up. ( a very wise woman ). So I got my 9mm and went into the bedroom closet, and proceeded to cry like a baby. When I existed the closet I EXPERIENCED the most incredible feeling of absolute and unconditional love for me personnaly. I repented for the next 3 days, now recognizing that my family and friends and everything came to me through God's Love . I was, and still am an asshole, but a bigger one then. I was so paranoid, stressed, and negative and then everything changed with the awareness of God's Love. I give you this confession to let you know why I agree with the only way of really knowing something for certain is through God's grace or as you put it "the bounty of the holy spirit". And so my Idea is just that, an Idea I came up with while searching for God, and I found Him everywhere. My firm belief is that "God is Love and only Love is Real" Best and keep up the banter, Pat P.S. The nuns told me that our purpose is to know, love and serve God, so we can be happy with him in Heaven. ( Heaven to me is here and now ). Pretty close to your Necessities HUH?

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar One small question profpat.. What do you mean by 'Photon is a ghost particle'. I am of the opinion that photon carries energy and hence it is real.. 'Ghosts' are never real they are imaginary. Hence do you mean photons are imaginary??

I agree with you Dipayankar; it is real, it is energy, it is a two dimensional transverse wave. The reason why I called it a ghost particle is that it is created when matter is converted to energy. ( The Photon ).

A quick research on the internet yielded this;

A theory for gravitation has been presented based on the approach that gravity is the "aether wind" [10]. Gravity is related to mass and mass is related to light energy via the equation, E = mc2 [11-12]. Gravity can be modeled as a mass gradient and is shown to be inversely proportional to the emanation of light energy as a light gradient by the proportionality constant, žc2. In other words, light is basically a "hole" in the quantized aether that travels as a perturbation opposite the knocking action of the particles that comprise the medium. This is why light can be thought of as "the ghost of mass."

Please note the last sentence.

Thanks for the question and best to you,

Pat

[Drifter]

Package it, address it, and throw it up in the air.
If it comes back down, consider it "rejected!" =0)

sorry . . .

[Drifter]

I once met a man whom, when He spoke; Light emitted from his lips.

What do you think about that? =O)

sorry for being sorry

[Drifter]

Something for you Pofpat;

http://www.thegreatillusion.com/dreamwalker.html

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi Drifter; When I existed the closet I EXPERIENCED the most incredible feeling of absolute and unconditional love for me personnaly. Pat P.S. The nuns told me that our purpose is to know, love and serve God, so we can be happy with him in Heaven. ( Heaven to me is here and now ). Pretty close to your Necessities HUH?

We are our own destroyer and our own Savior Profpat.
Are you familiar with the Mundaka Upanishad Profpat?

"Like Two Golden Brids perched in the self-same tree,
the ego and the True Self, intimate and inseprable.

The former partakes of the-sweet-and-the-bitter fruits
of 'The Tree Of Life' while the later looks on, in
Deatchment."

Become your own "Best Father", you could ever dream of.

you can't go wrong in That.

[Drifter]

In Tolstoy's "Confession" he ponders the burning question that drove him to near suicidal madness; "What have I accomplished in this life that will not be destroyed by my death?"
His "War and Peace", along with "Katarina", would have assured him a place in Literary history, You Profpat, already know the ending of the book, but it is an excellent read, and a relatively short one by comparison.

Originally Posted by Drifter Something for you Pofpat; http://www.thegreatillusion.com/dreamwalker.html We are our own destroyer and our own Savior Profpat. Are you familiar with the Mundaka Upanishad Profpat? "Like Two Golden Brids perched in the self-same tree, the ego and the True Self, intimate and inseprable. The former partakes of the-sweet-and-the-bitter fruits of 'The Tree Of Life' while the later looks on, in Deatchment." Become your own "Best Father", you could ever dream of. you can't go wrong in That.

[Drifter]

missed posting this for you Profpat,

http://www.servantsofthelight.org/QBL/tol_maintext.html

as an aside;
Pascal's Wisdom

Q: I have difficulty understanding the basic cause of mental and emotional suffering. Will you please explain it as simply as possible?

Pascal’s Reply: We do not content ourselves with the life we have in ourselves and in our own being; we desire to live an imaginary life in the mind of others, and for this purpose we desire to shine. We labour unceasingly to adorn and preserve this imaginary existence, and neglect the real. And if we possess calmness or generosity or truthfulness, we are eager to make it known, so as to attach these virtues to the imaginary existence.

Q: We seem to be on a futile march. Our desired happiness recedes before our eyes as we approach it.

Pascal’s Reply: Let each one examine his thoughts, and he will find them all occupied with the past and the future. We scarcely ever think of the present, and if we think of it, it is only to take light from it to arrange the future . . . So we never live but we hope to live; and, as we are always preparing to be happy, it is inevitable we should never be so.

Q: You state quite correctly that our minds often refuse to see our actual unhappiness, because we prefer to live in dreamland. How can we conquer this self-evasion? Are our emotions more honest than our minds?

Pascal’s Reply: We are not miserable without feeling it.

Q: A group of us at the office have been discussing the topic of individual happiness. Will you please supply an idea which I might add to the discussion?

Pascal’s Reply: The greatness and wretchedness of men are so evident that the true religion must necessarily teach us both that there is in men some great source of greatness, and a great source of wretchedness. It must then give us an explanation of these astonishing contradictions. In order to make man happy, it must prove to him that there is a God, and we ought to love him, that our true happiness is to be in him, and our sole evil to be separated from him.


Q: It may be shocking to reveal our weakness to ourselves, but of course it is necessary. How can we learn about our weak points?

Pascal’s Reply: Observe yourselves.

Q: The mystics speak of an inward friend who is more powerful than all exterior enemies. What do they mean by this?

Pascal’s Reply: Notwithstanding the sight of all those miseries which wring us, and threaten our destruction, we have still an instinct that we cannot repress, which elevates us above our sorrows.

Q: What is the basic cause of all problems?

Pascal’s Reply: There are people in the world, who, having renounced all the laws of God and nature, have made laws for themselves which they strictly obey.


Q: If I could hear the answer to this one question I could spend months thinking about it. The question is, why do we suddenly run into difficulties and disasters which give no visible warning?

Pascal’s Reply: We run carelessly to the cliff, after we have put something before us to prevent us seeing it.

Q: I was once told that I must have as much knowledge about what is wrong as I have knowledge of what is right. Why is it not enough to simply know what is right?

Pascal’s Reply: The knowledge of God without that of man's misery causes pride. The knowledge of man's misery without that of God causes despair.

We Are NOT a Human Searching For a Spiritual Experience,
We Are a Beautiful Spirit Immersed In a Human Experience!

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by neutralino To be honest with you, you will never get a professional scientist to read your paper unless it is written in the language of mathematics. Any theory of quantum gravity must pass all standard tests of gravity theories at least before it is even considered. Thus, a theory that is not written in mathematics cannot possibly stand up to these challenges.

Their loss Neutralino, their loss.

Best

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi Drifter;

Thanks for all the information you supplied, I'll have something to do this weekend at home.

Thanks for your support.

Best,

Pat

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Benedict Broere On this 'emergence', the following is I think also very interesting: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/properties-emergent/ But to say it very simple: the traffic in the US can't be explained out of the plugs and pistons in the respective vehicles, because this traffic repesents a complexity with patterns of order that cannot be found in plugs and pistons. Similar we meet in minerals, cells, organisms, etctera. This is why it is highly unlikely that human behavior can be explained out of quarks. Nature is telling us another story. And about possible intervention by God... I don't know for sure if there is a God. And if there is a God, I don't know for sure if intervention is possible. Etcetera. In the end you meet an enigma. But I do know for sure that looking for order in the world of quarks might lead to something, at least as we found lot's of order in the past, that at least looks as if it really has something to do with reality. So Profpat, keep up the good work !

Here is one mans story who fought for his belief.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...+He+Right%253F

45 mins but worth it.
How many of us would recognise a Light of Truth, if it graced us?