An Idea

[Lloyd Gillespie]

hi lloyd,

well lets see... remembering as a child the imagination reflected with defintion that which was observed. since an introduction to tv and other similar mediums of expression that perception has been distorted and with time away the distortion begins to fade.

either someone has the desire or capacity to investigate concepts or not. providing general definition and principle support to communicate and give concept to things with respect for individual interpretation. apply that which is known or can be referenced to a structure.

examples of specific definition have been posted. so believe what you can or want.



the future of science alone:

basically it is equivalent to believing that if all the sand on earth could be counted and that number understood humans would specifically know everything.

so a bunch of machines where built to count all the sand.

at the same time a computer was built to process that number and tell humans what it means because humans have no way of comparing and comprehending a number so large.

so the machines are done counting and the number is entered into the computer...

after processing the number the computer displayed another number. bummer!



the point is reality can be taken out of context and there will always be someone to do it just because they can... today enough definition exists to understand the concept and context of everything.

gunnar

p.s. hi pat

Science isn't trying to explain everything. Science is trying to explain everything about science, and then full well knowing, it's only generally possible. Philosophy is the discipline of attempting an explanation of everything, with its four major categories, of Math, Logic, Metaphysics and Mysticism, or there abouts, and its hundreds of other sub-categories, and it also realizing it's only generally possible...

You want accuracy__invent it...

[austintorn@aol.com]

Out in the Real World

We were in a bookstore the other day, Summaria and I, in the Science section, it being on the left, with the Dogs and Cats section on the right.

A redheaded lady, finely dressed, was sitting on the floor, reading ‘Antimatter’, trying to find out what particles are, for we inquired of her.

A kind of ‘mad-scientist’ then arrived, looking for a Science Dictionary, his hair much worse than Einstein’s, plus, he was all shabbily dressed with really baggy clothes and had probably gone without a bath for weeks.

I asked him if he was a scientist.

He said “No; I would be, but the pay is not good.”

Another lady appeared, looking for the ‘Poodles for Dummies’ book. Someday, all bookstores and libraries will have to double in size to hold all the ‘for Dummies’ and ‘for Idiot’s’ books.

As you can imagine, some karma spread unto these people and we were soon all sitting on the floor and having some kind of informal class on Anything and Everything. I had become sort of a Professor for Science Dummies.

“What’s a particle?”

“Electrons, neutrinos… you can find them on the internet under ‘Standard Model’, so, don’t waste money on a book.”

The redhead wrote this down, along with everything else that got said.

“Maybe God is the particle,” she offered, “but where did the antimatter go?”

“Maybe a lot of it was glommed together and went down a Black Hole or something. At least we have mostly uncle-matter around here, thank God.”

“Could God be the particles?”

“That sounds very restrictive, as well as being a lot of information to manage. Let’s just let the particles be the particles, and do their thing.”

“Oh. Well, energy comes from the stars and planets. I’ve kept a log and there are different effects depending on the time of day, plus those energies of when I was born.”

“Astrology?”

“Yes.”

“Well, the doctors and nurses surrounding your birth would have had far greater effect and influence on you at birth than some stars and planets far away, although they do emit some amount of energy.”

“They determine our lives with that energy.”

“Yes, true, there is energy, but I don’t think stars and planets they sit around, thinking ‘What should we do to this guy; what should we do to that person’.”

“They decided that I would get hit by a tractor-trailer truck, which nearly killed me.”

“Wow! Glad you made it.”

“When it happened, I had no memory for a while, being somewhere else in another dimension in some blank space.”

“Let’s just say that you got the hell knocked out of you.”

“Could be.”

The shaggy hair guy was listening, too, but was getting perturbed at finding no ‘Dictionary of Science’, but the Poodle lady was taking it all in, never saying a word.

“There has to be a cause for life, professor.”

“Causes of LIFE making Life making life can’t go on forever; so, no go on that one.”

“Ever see someone turn into light right before your eyes?”

“No, you?”

“Yes, and these are like spirits and angels.”

“Then it returned to normal?”

“Yes. And the spirits are here right now.”

“I don’t see any; hey, who bumped me!”

“You can’t see them, but they’re here.”

“Hey, where’s Summaria?”

(She had played a fine joke on me, skipping out, leaving me stuck with all this hocus-pocus stuff. Even the ‘mad scientist’ had gone, looking for a store clerk. All I had other was the Poodle Lady.)

…A bunch of really fine talk flowed that had a lot of good stuff and jokes that I have put on TQ, at times but, well, you had to be there…

She asked me “Are you a Buddhist? You sound like one.”

“No, for they believe that all is illusion; otherwise, fine, as they serve the task, like picking up litter, not worrying if anyone is watching, although they don’t have a God, but just a human guy, Buddha.”

“All could be a dream, such as us being here now.”

“I’ve heard this one. I knew the Great Lama of the Eastern United States. He owned a restaurant near the train station, and I got to know him pretty well, his bodyguards retreating. He even offered to take me to India with him, but I stayed here.”

“Any great wisdom?”

“Yes, for when I asked him who really won the election, Bush or Gore, he said “Who cares!”

“A very great wisdom, indeed.”

The bushy-haired guy reappeared, with a store clerk; they couldn’t find a ‘Science Dictionary’, and so the guy got mad and left.

The store announced that it was closing. Summaria peeked around the end of the aisle.

The redhead offered “I’m inviting you guys to have dinner with me and my friends.”

I looked over at Summaria.

Summaria said “Great; we’ll go.”

…

And a fine dinner, it was, with much further and good discussion, that which spurs even more thoughts, such as on ToeQuest, in a fine mansion, no less, the redhead telling us we could stay as long as we liked and/or visit her, whenever, coming and going.

And such the karma was flowing, so we are having a wonderful vacation from our tent, there being servants and all.

[gunnar]

Energy structures before bio-systems had no life to believe, especially to believe in life___brr_brr_brr__the buzzer goes off__F for the day...

Btw, there can be no concept of something, that can't be seen. Conceptualizations absolutely require visualizations__either of external to internal, or from memory of exteranlly seen objects and actions__formed internally into concepts, within perception...

If you can visualize energy__What shape is it...?__and plese, no everything and parts non-sense...

hi lloyd,

"infinity is recognized in a sense of understanding from a comprehension of all things known and the imagination of all things unknown."

"the concept of god is simple, life believes in life. the reality of this is on display in every energy structure."

the reality of this is on display in every energy structure is a clue to investigate with context.

things capable of believing believe, things capable of recognizing recognize... all energy no matter how simple acts, reacts or interacts with other energy and or forces of energy.

spheres producing in combination every kind of force and structure.

gunnar

[dipayankar]

Hi Llyod, how do you explain dark matter and energy that we dont see but conceptualise so well....

Energy structures before bio-systems had no life to believe, especially to believe in life___brr_brr_brr__the buzzer goes off__F for the day...

Btw, there can be no concept of something, that can't be seen. Conceptualizations absolutely require visualizations__either of external to internal, or from memory of exteranlly seen objects and actions__formed internally into concepts, within perception...

If you can visualize energy__What shape is it...?__and plese, no everything and parts non-sense...

[austintorn@aol.com]

the Real World continues…

The redhead looks like a rail, frail and thin, but energetic nonetheless. She is really old [looking], being 60, which, I know, is younger that I am. Too much sun, perhaps, plus there was that tracter-trailer accident long ago. She is a combination of the dreamy but fun Melanie and a positive gleeful Mikal but having an open and wishful scientific-to-be path, one that comes and goes vs. the non-conceptual invisibles.

Rare that a caucasian owns a plantation, but her deceased husband was oriental. These plantations, of which there are many in the level interior of the island, raise cane and whatever else in this fair climate.

Kind of a laid-back atmosphere here, the workers coming and going with ease, even into the glorious white mansion and its outbuildings. We can see the back and the side of our mountain way off in the distance as it calls to us from this lowly point, and so we come and go.

The cook here is fantastic, blending all sorts of seafood and vegetables with the hardier stuff as well.

Protons and wantons abound here as well, making me think of ProfPat.

[Profpat]

Wantons are made from protons. I too like the taste of atoms in the right combination.

[Profpat]

"If you can visualize energy__What shape is it...?__and plese, no everything and parts non-sense..."

Hi Lloyd;

My guess is that it looks like a photon, since a photon is pure energy. The only problem is no one has saw a photon.

Best,

Pat

[austintorn@aol.com]

"If you can visualize energy__What shape is it...?__and plese, no everything and parts non-sense..."

Hi Lloyd;

My guess is that it looks like a photon, since a photon is pure energy. The only problem is no one has saw a photon.

Best,

Pat

But we can see as few as 3-5 of them coming in to the eye.

Maybe I can see just one, as I wear contact lens.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Summaria:
The Birds of Light in Paradise

[Mikal]

Energy structures before bio-systems had no life to believe, especially to believe in life___brr_brr_brr__the buzzer goes off__F for the day...

Btw, there can be no concept of something, that can't be seen. Conceptualizations absolutely require visualizations__either of external to internal, or from memory of exteranlly seen objects and actions__formed internally into concepts, within perception...

If you can visualize energy__What shape is it...?__and plese, no everything and parts non-sense...

A study of tertiary physics students' conceptualizations of sound
Abstract
This report discusses university physics students' conceptualizations of sound. The data for this study comes from ten Canadian physics graduates enrolled in a teacher education programme. They participated in clinical interviews that consisted of a variety of demonstrations and experiments based upon situations representing both 'everyday' as well as 'school-related' examples of sound phenomena. The data analysis was framed in a phenomenographic tradition and the conceptualizations are illustrated with dialogue excerpts taken from the student interviews. Implications for teacher education are discussed.

We cannot see sound....

Regards Mikal