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    Re: An Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by dipayankar View Post
    Okay thanks Prof.. probably I will go and buy myself a copy.
    Another good book Dipayankar is:

    The Key to the Universe: A Report on the New Physics (Paperback)
    by Nigel Calder (Author)

    This is the book that most influenced me regarding my Idea. You can probably buy them both pretty cheap on the internet.

    Best,

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    No mass, no charge, no interactions with any force... tell me Prof, why are we studying neutrinos? They do not seem to make any difference at all to anything right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Profpat View Post
    Hi Eric:

    Thanks for your input and interest. I agree the neutrino has no electric charge and very likely no mass, and therefor would not interact with the E/M force or with gravity. It appears only when a neutron breaks down to a proton and electron, and its my understanding that a neutrino is necessary to balance that interaction.

    Since it goes through everything with little to no interaction I have ignored it in my Idea.

    Best to you sir,

    Pat

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    Re: An Idea

    Quote Originally Posted by dipayankar View Post
    No mass, no charge, no interactions with any force... tell me Prof, why are we studying neutrinos? They do not seem to make any difference at all to anything right?
    Matbe we can ask Neutralino, I believe the Neutrino is his cousin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipayankar View Post
    No mass, no charge, no interactions with any force... tell me Prof, why are we studying neutrinos? They do not seem to make any difference at all to anything right?
    You're correct that neutrinos have no charge, and you may be correct that they have no mass (currently it is believed that neutrinos have a very small, non-zero mass, but that may be open for debate in the coming years), but neutrinos do interact via a force: they interact via the weak force. In fact, according to hyperphysics the neutrino was first postulated to make up for the energy gap in beta decay (the decay of a neutron to a proton via the weak force). Of course, if the neutrino really does have a nonzero mass then it will interact via gravity too, but this will be extremely weak.
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    Re: An Idea

    no interactions with any force
    Surely, just by our observations, we can ascertain that at least One interaction is taking place?

    "Since motion and change are essential properties of things, the forces causing the motion are not outside the objects," (from above quote of 'Tao of physics')



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    Re: An Idea

    Thats what I was trying to tell Prof. It seems that neutrinos should have mass (albeit small)..


    Quote Originally Posted by neutralino View Post
    You're correct that neutrinos have no charge, and you may be correct that they have no mass (currently it is believed that neutrinos have a very small, non-zero mass, but that may be open for debate in the coming years), but neutrinos do interact via a force: they interact via the weak force. In fact, according to hyperphysics the neutrino was first postulated to make up for the energy gap in beta decay (the decay of a neutron to a proton via the weak force). Of course, if the neutrino really does have a nonzero mass then it will interact via gravity too, but this will be extremely weak.

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    Re: An Idea

    Neutrinos must have mass. Any particle (energy or matter) that exists must have mass. It may be negligable, but it's present none the less.

    It all boils down to E=MC^2

    If E>0 then M>0 because 0 x C^2=0

    We study them because they are the basic building blocks of atomic matter. Although not entirely relevant to Profpat's idea, they are an integral part of subatomics.

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    Re: An Idea

    Well thank you everybody for your input.
    Here is part of my problem with the neutrino, It doesn't appear to have any interactions on its own.

    If it has mass, then there should be interaction with massive bodies, such as the Earth and Sun, but aparently it goes right through them.

    Even the photon which is massless and chargeless has reactions with its medium, that is why the photons stay within the sun, and the photoelectric effect it has on electrons.

    But the neutrino has no such interactions that we are aware of. Why is that? Does it truly exist?

    My philosophy is this;

    "It's here, it's queer, get use to it."

    But in the meantime I am ignoring it.

    Best to all,

    Pat

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    Re: An Idea

    Hi Everybody;

    Pondering on my above post last night, I was thinking that perhaps our mysterious neutrino could in fact be an example of the elusive string?

    The string being a theoritical one dimensional entity would have the ability of going through everything without interaction. the string could have a small amount of mass.

    The photon is a 2 dimensional wave/particle and therefor interacts with other particles.

    If the neutrino was a 2nd or 3rd dimensional entity it should interact. If it's 0 dimension it doesn't exist. What is left is a 1 dimensional entity like a string.

    Just some thoughts on the subject of neutrinos.

    Best,

    Pat
    Last edited by Profpat; 02-13-2008 at 07:29 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Re: An Idea

    Dont do it Prof... probably there is some basic characteristic of neutrinos that we dont understand and it could unravel a lot of myths... stick to it chum.. dont give up..

    Quote Originally Posted by Profpat View Post
    Well thank you everybody for your input.
    Here is part of my problem with the neutrino, It doesn't appear to have any interactions on its own.

    If it has mass, then there should be interaction with massive bodies, such as the Earth and Sun, but aparently it goes right through them.

    Even the photon which is massless and chargeless has reactions with its medium, that is why the photons stay within the sun, and the photoelectric effect it has on electrons.

    But the neutrino has no such interactions that we are aware of. Why is that? Does it truly exist?

    My philosophy is this;

    "It's here, it's queer, get use to it."

    But in the meantime I am ignoring it.

    Best to all,

    Pat

 

 

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