An Idea

[melanie]

Yes Pat, they are complimentary opposites.

You can love and hate someone at the same time.

Love just is.

Love is the uplifting energy at the end of a day.
Love the energy of our conception.
Love is the weaving of polar opposites becoming as one.
Love is what we live, breathe and immerse ourselves in.


Love ya

[Profpat]

Love you back Mel.

[melanie]

Love you back Mel.

See, the energy of love, is the most powerful energy / e-motion

I'm moved, Pat ...lol

[Mikal]

Seeing you have more than likely not read this scientist's book, you would be standing on a pretty shaky pedestal to judge his summations. Also because your statements rise from bias and assumptions, it would be shaky indeed!

Nope, I have disproved God even in several ways of self-contradiction, as I’ve posted on TQ. Thanks, though, for putting me on a pedestal. Only the believers made up things out of an invested interest (bias).


From the particular flavor of the book, I think Haisch would tell you..."live and let live" and "scientists should stop arguing and wasting their energy, about something which can be neither proved or unproved." He did state in his book that the Scientific reductionist view does not uphold a purpose for life and as humans that might be bad news and also information that undermines the ethical and moral underpinnings of society and civilization...

God not existing was merely a byproduct of doing science. There was no purpose for life, the ground-state being causeless, thank not God, for this truly allows the “free will” of developing one’s own fine and good purposes. Moral underpinnings are not undermined at all, as they came from humanity itself. Mythical pinnings are not useful for reality since they are not of reality.


He is a scientist, makes that clear, defines what he cannot adhere to such as intelligent design and then creates a God theory relevant to what may possibly be behind the Big Bang and the fields that define the universe....

Yes, ID and other notions substituted keep falling like dominoes, there being retreat after retreat. The last domino shows snake eyes. Behind the Big Bang is just more stuff until we get to the causeless that forever had to be since nothing can become of Nothing. Look for Great Mind in the further complexity of the future, not in the simpler and simpler past. Currently, Lloyd is our greatest mind, then Einstein.

The sense of there being a God is most important and becomes relevant in all human situations of deep, existential duress—in the agony and distress of life. It simply holds preservative and preservational value to the life of an individual…

Yes, I had noticed that a couple of people on Toe have been somewhat canonized into positions of most intelligent and most correct thinking—I give these things no heed as years of study have allowed me to know the cult of this one and the cult of that one—hence you will never find me a follower nor shall I task myself to helping another build his own shaky pedestal….

Your other ramblings dissipate in the world’s own history of any attempts to prove or disprove God and it is clear you do not understand what intangibles constitute the moral underpinnings of a society…

Your statement… “no purpose for life” could reflect a created vacuum which now fills up with human aimlessness, deep existential loneliness and countless lost and hungering souls—as they coalesce I stay strong and determined out on the fringes where there is safety and sanity….

Respectfully Mikal

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Kahlil Gibran on Love

When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams
as the north wind lays waste the garden.

Love is the identical arithmetic as logic__In all possible experiences...

Simply read the words of Jesus, to know this arithmetic's simplicity__Ratio Logic is everywhere...

Kahlil Gibran knew this well__The eye in the hand__Logical love sees from everywhere...

True love and logic are always arithmetically positive, toward evolutionary progressional goals__The true esthetics of life...

[Profpat]

I can live without logic but not without love. In fact usually I'm at my illogical best is when I am IN love. Though I agree with you Lloyd, TRUE LOVE is TRUE LOGIC is TRUE BEAUTY is the TRUTH. Conceptually however I only find that in God.

Best to all,

Pat

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I can live without logic but not without love. In fact usually I'm at my illogical best is when I am IN love. Though I agree with you Lloyd, TRUE LOVE is TRUE LOGIC is TRUE BEAUTY is the TRUTH. Conceptually however I only find that in God. Best to all, Pat

I'd like to see ya prove anyting about 'god', with arithmetic, logic, beauty, love or truth...

Funny thing__It cain't be done... he, he, he...

Btw, there's no 'conceptuality of god', possible... It's just a dream of faith and exaggerated belief... You may see the dream, but there's no conceptuality of it__as all concepts can be shared, externally of oneself, and either proved, or there be a strong possible scientific evidence, within the conceptual theory represented...

Sorry, but imo, the 'god theory' offers absolutely zero physical or mental evidence...

[Profpat]

I agree no proof only Faith and my concept is very limited because I am very limited.

[Profpat]

“In conceptual art the idea or concept is the most important aspect of the work. When an artist uses a conceptual form of art, it means that all of the planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair. The idea becomes a machine that makes the art.

I believe God is an Artist.
”

[austintorn@aol.com]

The sense of there being a God is most important and becomes relevant in all human situations of deep, existential duress—in the agony and distress of life. It simply holds preservative and preservational value to the life of an individual…

That's all it simply is (never more as real), for some, due to natural selection bringing it forth.

Yes, I had noticed that a couple of people on Toe have been somewhat canonized into positions of most intelligent and most correct thinking—I give these things no heed as years of study have allowed me to know the cult of this one and the cult of that one—hence you will never find me a follower nor shall I task myself to helping another build his own shaky pedestal….

Me, to, as this is the bust the God of those that must ever fall off the pedestal, crash, and break into pieces.

Your other ramblings dissipate in the world’s own history of any attempts to prove or disprove God and it is clear you do not understand what intangibles constitute the moral underpinnings of a society…l

Blah, blah, nothing shown to counter what I have shown.

Your statement… “no purpose for life” could reflect a created vacuum which now fills up with human aimlessness, deep existential loneliness and countless lost and hungering souls—as they coalesce I stay strong and determined out on the fringes where there is safety and sanity….

There being no purpose for life becoming is exactly why there is freedom to choose one' meaning and purpose in life. (Read this twice, then over and over again)