An Idea

[Profpat]

[QUOTE=Lloyd Gillespie;115186]No Fear Pat__Marxism is just crippled capitalism. Healthy capitalism can beat a cripple any day...

Btw, Marx was cripple minded__I read all his works, and all his buddies' works__Lotta words__No banking, market or trade system__Cain't work...

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Well while I'm not a Marxist however I am impressed by his predictive abilities, crippled mind or not, btw I thought it was carbuncles he suffered from.

So do you believe we have "healthy" capitalism? We do, if we have a strong middle class, otherwise..."Alas, alas that wonderful city of Babylon has been destroyed"

[Profpat]

I'm reminded how close we came to losing our banking and capital markets until "We the People" (The taxpayers), through governmental intervention, bailed out the banks and financial markets.

So I'm not trying to support Marxism, rather to WARN, so we don't get to comfy thinking it no longer exists. I'm old but my grandchildren are young and I find too many agreeing with Marx that "Religion is the opiate of the people" The first freedom to be eliminated under Marxist rule.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

[QUOTE=Profpat;115191]

No Fear Pat__Marxism is just crippled capitalism. Healthy capitalism can beat a cripple any day...

Btw, Marx was cripple minded__I read all his works, and all his buddies' works__Lotta words__No banking, market or trade system__Cain't work...


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Well while I'm not a Marxist however I am impressed by his predictive abilities, crippled mind or not, btw I thought it was carbuncles he suffered from.

So do you believe we have "healthy" capitalism? We do, if we have a strong middle class, otherwise..."Alas, alas that wonderful city of Babylon has been destroyed"

No, I certainly don't think capitalism is healthy__Far, far, far from it__the worst condition it's been in, since the `30's...

[Mikal]

Just what the world needs__More Marxist lunatics...

Freire's work has also been subject to criticism. Rich Gibson[3] has critiqued his work as a cul-de-sac, a combination of old-style socialism (wherever Freire was not) and liberal reformism (wherever Freire was). Paul V. Taylor, in his "Texts of Paulo Freire," comes close to calling Freire a plagiarist, while Gibson notes Freire borrows heavily from Hegel's "Phenomenology." Gibson's dissertation which examines Freire's theory, practice, and history in a Marxist context is the sharpest critique of Freire to date.

Because of the political feud between Freire, a Christian socialist, and the successive authoritarian military dictatorships, it wasn't published in his own country of Brazil until 1974, when General Ernesto Geisel became the then dictator president beginning the process of a slow and controlled political liberalisation.

About the only ones who would get any benefit out of critiquing Paulo Freire’s work would be those Freire termed the oppressors and the elites who uphold and support oppression of the masses.

Freire’s work:
(1) He educated illiterate adults in the Third World.
(2) He taught people how to understand they were living a borrowed, colonized and cultured existence that comes part and parcel with fears, anxieties, tensions, contradictions, doubts, hopes and deferred dreams.
(3) He educated on identifying power asymmetries.
(4) He taught how to identify subordination through imposed assimilation policies.
(5) His greatest hope was for those who would escape totalitarian states which oppressed.
(6) He risked prison to teach Brazilian peasants how to read. (He was imprisoned for this and also subjected to exile)
(7) As a person who had experienced the inhumanity of poverty, he openly through his life denounced oppressive conditions that choked the lives of millions of poor people.
( Everything in Pedagogy of the Oppressed has its roots in Freire’s lived experience. He radically rejected a class-based society and the enforced hunger and abandonment it afflicts upon millions of lives.
(9) His strongest belief was “Freedom is not an ideal located outside of man, nor is it an idea which becomes myth. It is the indispensable condition for the quest for human completion.”


Freire was a man devoted to the freedom of all men. His own experience of being engulfed by terrible reality, his concrete experience—settled into him with such immediacy he exemplified the life of a man willing to lay down his life for another…

Regards Mikal

[Lloyd Gillespie]

About the only ones who would get any benefit out of critiquing Paulo Freire’s work would be those Freire termed the oppressors and the elites who uphold and support oppression of the masses.

As exactly what your conspiracy against capitalism intellect represents, Mikal...

Freire was a man devoted to the freedom of all men. His own experience of being engulfed by terrible reality, his concrete experience—settled into him with such immediacy he exemplified the life of a man willing to lay down his life for another…

Regards Mikal

Marxists, socialists and communists have always been for man's greater freedom, now haven't they...? (being a smart alec...)

To try and conflate the intellect with illogical emotions, is the greatest crime of humanity...

Some people just can not see the truth of their own minds...

(Sorry Pat. I'll leave your thread for the worst of such intellects...)

[Mikal]

When the 30th Anniversary Edition of Pedagogy of the Oppressed was published the forward expressed this thought….


“When good men come into this world, their works are subverted by present elite educators which use them to program individuals—especially the disadvantaged—to a rigid conformity. A new underclass has been created, and it is everyone’s responsibility to react thoughtfully and positively to the situation. This is the underlying message of Pedagogy of the Oppressed.”

Personal attack only disgraces you Lloyd—I have long ago shed all shallow and false cultural labels. I am not a being for someone else—I am me!!!!!


Regards Mikal

[Profpat]

(Sorry Pat. I'll leave your thread for the worst of such intellects...)

Thanks Lloyd;

Give me your poor, rich, capitalist, socialist, atheist, theist, smart and dumb. God and I love them all.

Best to all,

Pat

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Pat, my position is, and always has been__Intelligence must discriminate, or intelligence can not be__That position will never change...

Kinda like a metal detector__Without the discriminator button, one can't find any gold...

(Sorry Pat. I'll leave your thread for the worst of such intellects...)

Thanks Lloyd;

Give me your poor, rich, capitalist, socialist, atheist, theist, smart and dumb. God and I love them all.

Best to all,

Pat

[labelwench]

Interesting.

Have just arrived and read the last several posts as relate to class distinctions and economics.

Others assign a designation of class to me, based upon my performance within the parameters of the conditions that I am born into.

If I compete successfully, by the rules of the existing game, I am an elitist?

Give me a break.......

Born a poor white child, and am moderately comfortable now.

By third world standards. a rich B-----.

No E.I., no government incentives, just sweat equity.

I pay my taxes, provide leadership in my community, and give away plenty.

How does that make me a bad person?

Because I can't save them all?

I didn't write the rules and I do not feel the need to be a martyr.......

Next.....

[labelwench]

“When good men come into this world, their works are subverted by present elite educators which use them to program individuals—especially the disadvantaged—to a rigid conformity. A new underclass has been created, and it is everyone’s responsibility to react thoughtfully and positively to the situation. This is the underlying message of Pedagogy of the Oppressed.”

I break new ground.

Follow if you will, or break your own trail.

It's an equal opportunity world......