An Idea

[N0B0DY]

Pat,

If the densities remained the same, then the systems would get farther and farther away. Where exactly they would go is an altogether other matter, but if the material densities decreased proportionate to the exponential increase according to RP's explanation of matter expanding, the material would very quickly cease to remain prevalent. Which is why I don't think RP is suggesting the densities change, only "when compared" to other timeframes, which translates into an increase in density - the matter would have to increase to retain the proportionate value - whereby you do not notice a difference in your body getting larger and larger.

The microwaves being uniform is based on observations, but observations can be misleading which can lead to evidence being misinterpreted - in this case, to each their own I guess. There are other explanations that can explain the increase in wavelengths, as per my proposed continual creation process whereby redshifting due to virtual interactions results in the exact same vacuum density without any a priori considerations. It's not "there," but is made when light is slowed through gravitational time dilation.

For the void, I would say that the void - if absolute - would have to be devoid of volumetric space. Volumetric space would contain no things in it, but the presently accepted models are not suggestive of this state. It is space itself that expands into nonexistence, and you can verify this with any Cosmologist of the kind that has no time to consider questions about what is outside of it. It is a real problem that has been repeatedly ignored, primarily because it doesn't work - existence can't replace nonexistence and I think any honest scientist realizes this.

[Profpat]

I agree to each their own Nobody.

My problem is that I'm not well informed regarding astrophysics. My hobby is particle or quantum physics.

However I agree with you that existence can't replace non-existence but I would think the correllary would also be true that existent space cannot expand into non-existence. Even Hawkings knew he had problems when he suggested this regarding information. It's like rewriting the conservation laws.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Getting back to the neutrino and it's remarkable ability to go through massive bodies, I recall the Tao chapter 23 "...That without substance can enter where there is no room..."

This has me pondering as to what, if any, substance the neutrino is comprised of ?

Best to all,

Pat

[Felix Schrodinger]

I stumbled upon a nice article about the Higgs particle recently. Apparently, in 1993, the UK science minister issued a challenge to physicists to describe the Higgs boson and why we want to find it on one piece of paper. Here is a list of the winners: I especially liked this article, written by Tom Kibble, which seems to explain the problem, and what the Higgs is, in a rather simple way!

Hi Neutralino and Pat

This article, like the others submitted in response to the Minister's request, simply tell us why we need a mechanism to explain what mass is - and the current vogue is for a particle which is called the Higgs Boson after Peter Higgs who suggested it. None of the responses made any attempt to describe what the HB looks like or how it works. This explanation is simply saying that there's something out there which is responsible for mass and as we don't know what it is we'll conjure up a new particle. This approach relies heavily on the success of past predictions in the derrivation of the standard model and on an assumption that forces are the result of the transfer of particles (bosons).

Science is now placing a lot of faith in the LHC and its ability (by using higher energy collisions) to detect both the HB and the graviton. My feeling is that it will detect neither as they are not 'particles' in the accepted sense. There is an underlying mechanism, which is the source of matter (probably in the form of various combinations of string) and this will not therefore exhibit itself in our reality. If my interpretation is right then the HB cannot be detected by using particle collisions as it is not, in itself, ordinary matter.

A similar argument is put forward for the existence of the graviton. As gravity exists then there must be a mediator and current thinking proposes it to be another particle. Think what this would actually require - particles flowing back and forth between every massive particle in the universe and also moving through eachother. If we consider gravity to be an effect (as described in GR) then it does not require the graviton to be a particle. Rather there has to be a mechanism, which incorporates the HB and the graviton in such a way as to describe the effects of mass and gravity. If background dependency is accepted then they simply become part of the underlying 'aether' (or 'the fabric space/time' if you are allergic to the word). The HB is the source of matter and the graviton is the linking mechanism which holds the HBs together/apart in a grid structure. Mass is then simply the vibration of these links and its magnitude is dependent on the amplitude of the vibration.

If someone tells me how to get my diagrams (currently in M/S Word) onto this site then I can illustrate the above which all relates back to wave particle duality.

all the best
Felix

[Felix Schrodinger]

Could the grid cubes be reduced infinitely, perhaps to the size of a string or further? I ask because if the grid were to extend infinitely, any cube would then be comparatively the same size as any other.

Hi Nobody

Could it be that the variation in the size of the cubes (caused by the presence of mass) is the effect that we call gravity?

It would follow that the structure of the cubes must be very much bigger than the Planck length in order to allow for variation in the size of its components. What makes up the sides of the cubes - string?

Felix

[Profpat]

I think this is a very good thought you have here Felix. I too think the process can be explained without hypothetical particles. Also the most recent news is that the LHC still has not detected gravitons.

I miss Kermits meetings when is there another scheduled.

I am computer illiterate and needed Austins assistance to get my Idea as a post and off of the PDF. He is one of our most helpful members and if you were to PM him I'm sure he'd help. Austintorn is his site name.

Best to you Felix,

Pat

P.S. Any help regarding the Neutrino?

[Felix Schrodinger]

You broke my heart there Prof... I was always hoping that probably we could quantize space time, however if it is made of EM and gravitational waves which would be continuous, how would we quantize space time??

Hi Dippy

There are two aspects to the quantization of ST. The first would be the basic lower limit to size which we can simply accept as being the Planck length. The second relates to what happens to the structure of the background when it bends and deforms resulting in the effect which we call gravity. We would measure this deformation in PLs.

If we consider this background to consist of cells, then the waves travel as vibrations along the strings making up the edges of the cells (IMO these are the gravitons) and only as far as their next interaction/collapse. The waves are quantized by their frequency and amplitude which makes up the 'information' so beloved by SH.

Gravitational waves are a completely different phenomena and may not even exist in the currently proposed form.

regards
Felix

[Felix Schrodinger]

I think this is a very good thought you have here Felix. I too think the process can be explained without hypothetical particles. Also the most recent news is that the LHC still has not detected gravitons. I miss Kermits meetings when is there another scheduled. P.S. Any help regarding the Neutrino?

Hi Profpat

Kermit and I have been away at a conference in Sri Lanka and have only just gotten back. Have to assess some Buddhist influences before writing up the next meeting.

My understanding is that a large device like the LHC will take nearly two years to get the beams and the detectors properly set up so we should not expect results too soon.

I am struggling with the neutrino but feel that it it a vital clue in understanding reality. There's not much progress you can make with analysis so I think it will be inspiration that moves us forward.

F

[Profpat]

Fair enough Felix keep me posted and up to date. I like Eastern philosophy

[austintorn@aol.com]

Felix,

To post anything from a document, make a PDF, then use Acrobat or Photoshop to turn pages into jpgs, which you can then host in the TOE gallery or on Webshot's 'all you can upload site', then post on ToeQuest. Use 72 dpi so it doesn't become massive when displayed.