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[Profpat]

Thanks Austin I knew you would try to help Felix, thats why I didn't mind volunteering your services.

Best to you,

Pat

[dipayankar]

Great prof. Even I was thinking, incase we can count strings in numbers like one strings two strings etc., then they are in the quantum mode. My broken heart does jingle a bit, but it is mending...

Well let me fix it, waves like light can be quantitized.
Remember a wave has length measured from amplitude to amplitude, thus a quanta. My guess is that strings and maybe neutrinos, if they are one dimensional, would still have quanta. My view is that space/time is like a grid and each little square or cube would be a quanta of space/time.

I hope this mends your broken heart Dipayankar.

Best to you my friend,

Pat

[Profpat]

Great prof. Even I was thinking, incase we can count strings in numbers like one strings two strings etc., then they are in the quantum mode. My broken heart does jingle a bit, but it is mending...

I think you are right we should be able to count strings and neutrinos. Keep your questions coming they keep my brain in action even though I may sometimes get " strung " out

Best,

Pat

P.S. I have some "glue-on" that mends cuts, wounds and broken hearts.

[dipayankar]

We have the same glue. It comes with a statutory warning ' Doesnt mend broken hearts and broken families'

I think you are right we should be able to count strings and neutrinos. Keep your questions coming they keep my brain in action even though I may sometimes get " strung " out

Best,

Pat

P.S. I have some "glue-on" that mends cuts, wounds and broken hearts.

[Profpat]

Hi Nobody

Could it be that the variation in the size of the cubes (caused by the presence of mass) is the effect that we call gravity?

It would follow that the structure of the cubes must be very much bigger than the Planck length in order to allow for variation in the size of its components. What makes up the sides of the cubes - string?

Felix

Hi Felix; Allow me to attempt to answer your question through my conjecture. Nobody please add your comments.

First Im not sure that they would actually be cubes. That was my guess following the grid model. They could be geodesics instead. I imagine EMR and gravitational waves( if present ) would flow in all directions. At the intersect points would form the squares of fractals.

As to what would make up the sides I'm not sure. I thought at that proximity it would be vibrating space,
/time but than I don't know if space/time can vibrate on its own.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi again Felix:

It may be the force lines of the EMR vibrates or moves causing an effect or appearence of a side.

Then the question becomes what would be inside these tiny cubes or geodesics. Void ? Or would the vibrations give the appearance of being solid, like our atom ?

Best,

Pat

[N0B0DY]

Sorry for not responding to your posting, Felix. I have a funny way of looking at things, and didn't want to take Pat's thread out of the ball park.

I think it might have something to do with surface tension and rho*v^2, but applied to space itself so that we can essentially solidify the void Pat mentioned relative to spatial velocity (which I classify as time). So time creates space when it decelerates to create infinite density that lessens the more space slows down. If we want to say that it folds as it slows it's okay, but I don't think it has any superficial qualities. It's more like how water drops in the ocean can be quantized according to the magnitude of their pressure, but are essentially structureless. Everything is velocity-dependent, as can be easily realized when you slowly move your hand in water and it offers little resistance; and when you slap your hand against the water and the force increases proportionate to your hands velocity.

The point I wanted to make regarding the size, is that if the latter scenario above were to be applied to a long pointed object impacting the water perpendicular to its "surface," the effect would be the same but undetectable at certain macroscopic scales. To say that the head of a pin is superficially identical to that of a mack truck when the pin is compared to something that much smaller. The negligible effects of gravity (the time that slows space down), must be magnified infinitely at infinitesimal scales, and I propose their cumulative effects result in the macroscopic gravitational effects proportionate in turn to velocity-dependent space (mass). Mass and energy are then variable, but matter (space) always remains absolutely solid.

Sorry if I brought us back to square none, Pat.

[Profpat]

Yep Nobody you blasted it right out of the old ballpark. But I think I may be on square #1 or maybe it's square # 13,567,983,645,386. I'm not sure which when I'm down in the rabbit hole.

[Felix Schrodinger]

First Im not sure that they would actually be cubes. That was my guess following the grid model. They could be geodesics instead. I imagine EMR and gravitational waves( if present ) would flow in all directions. At the intersect points would form the squares of fractals. As to what would make up the sides I'm not sure. I thought at that proximity it would be vibrating space,
/time but than I don't know if space/time can vibrate on its own.

Hi Pat

I tried linking up a lot of shapes before preferring a cuboid basic building block. I agree with you - they would only be cubes if not deformed. The presence of mass deforms the cells which are the background or fabric of space/time equivalent to the Higgs Field. The effect of gravity comes about through massive particles being required to follow this deformed structure.

EMR does go in all directions but predominantly in the direction of travel. This is reflected in the probability of a particle appearing somewhere. You conjecture that the cell is vibrating? I don't like this as it requires space (a field) to vibrate. My preference is for the cell structure (ie the grid) to conduct the vibrations of EMR which is much easier to visualise. The question is, then, what are the grid connections made of? String would be the most obvious candidate. The next question is what are the nodes of the grid made of?

Have you ever read a detective novel where a completely unknown character is introduced at the end? That would completely spoil the story. I favour the argument that we already know all of the main players but have not yet worked out how they interact. Thus gravitons will be found to fulfill the role of linking and the Higgs Boson will fulfill the role of nodes (but not in the way described by Peter Higgs which is a purely mathemetical description rather than a real one).

Will get on to the nature of time later.

regards
Felix

[dipayankar]

So Felix, in the interm space between two planks length, how would energy move forward?

Hi Dippy

There are two aspects to the quantization of ST. The first would be the basic lower limit to size which we can simply accept as being the Planck length. The second relates to what happens to the structure of the background when it bends and deforms resulting in the effect which we call gravity. We would measure this deformation in PLs.

If we consider this background to consist of cells, then the waves travel as vibrations along the strings making up the edges of the cells (IMO these are the gravitons) and only as far as their next interaction/collapse. The waves are quantized by their frequency and amplitude which makes up the 'information' so beloved by SH.

Gravitational waves are a completely different phenomena and may not even exist in the currently proposed form.

regards
Felix