An Idea

[Profpat]

Pat - if you can't even manage to train a mangy dog then you have no chance with the TOE.

regards
Felix

And how successful was Dr. Schrodinger in training you. My dog did not have mange, though at times he was a bastard.

You may be right, but in my mind I think I came up with pretty logical explanations for ~100% of it.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

[QUOTE=Max™;116534]There are 10^57 hydrogen atoms in a typical star, versus your 10^12 cells in a human, and 2x10^14 microbes on Earth,That is on or in the human body I believe that is a rather piddling amount.Maybe but to a microbe that is perhaps a universe.

The Universe has roughly 10^80 hydrogen atoms.Hydrogen atoms or protons?

That is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000 atoms in the Universe.
and
100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000 in a star.AND? I know the universe have more mass than the life forms but to me hydrogen and helium (protons and neutrons) are rather simple compared to a cell.

Vs 10,000,000,000,000 and 200,000,000,000,000 cells/microbes.

I'd say the Universe capable of generating the complexity of a cell, is obviously more complex.

I don't take it as self evident that there is a creator btw, the founding fathers have nothing to do with me, I am an anarchist, I do not recognize the claim that any government has the right to rule anyone, nor the right to steal property, designate ownership, or inflict violence through military action.Some things, like self evident truths, transcend time and space.

They had some good ideas in theory, but that has nothing to do with the way the Universe works, and it is self evident to me that a Universe is a structure which can not be defined properly as created in the manner defined by religions. It exists in a no-place outside time, far beyond our human assumption of cause and effect.

The idea that there is only one Universe is ultimately untenable, there is absolutely nothing simple about it, and it raises more questions than it answers.Let's keep it simple, by introducing other universes only complicates the issue, and again I don't need them for my GUT.

It should be discarded in favor of actual working answers, if the Universe is a part of mathematics, then it is in a subset of an infinite set of spaces, the subset of Universes is infinite as well, and all logically consistent possibilities must be expressed.In my An Idea I need only 1 Venn Diagram with it's sets, I believe you read it Max but if not it's on the 1st post in the PDF file.

A deity creating a single Universe from nothing, in no-place, outside of time, is not a logically consistent possibility.In your opinion Max. Also I am perfectly willing to start with Lloyd eternal FS[/QUOTE]

Hi Max;

We are each entitled to our own opinion though they may not agree. Agree?

Best,

Pat

[Max™]

Introducing other Universes answers the question of why there should be one, rather than none.

Zero, or Infinity are simple, one is baffling due to it's isolation.

You need to ask where your Venn sits, it surely doesn't contain all of mathematics, yet mathematics contains every Venn diagram.


I'm sorry, I misread, there are 3x10^79 hydrogen atoms just counting the stars, ignoring non-visible matter.

A galaxy is every bit as complex as a cell, as is a supercluster, and their structures show recursive similarities.



Math transcends, and in fact contains, time and space.

I can not think of anything which transcends Mathematics, anything else would not be self-consistent.

[Profpat]

Well Max to me introducing other universes only complicates the issue as now you are stuck with explaining how they were formed.
I know they were just eternal. I think it is easier and simpler to start off with Lloyd's eternal FS.

I think there are three major items which needs to be addressed:

1) How did the universe expand from the big bang or how and why did the big bang happen.
2) Planetary, stellar and galectic formation.
3) The emergence of life.

I personally find, that according to most recent and accepted scientific theory, our universe is capable of being the smallest thing (a planck length size) to the largest thing (near infinite in size), is beyond amazing, it's miraculous.

I like your photo, and I think shows evidence to support my point, as to how complex life can be. Not only similar to the most complex structures in the universe but capable of consciousness, intelligence, reproduction, emotions, etc.

My theory is indeed based on math, as to how dimensions evolve from a point to a 4th dimensional entity merely by going perpendicular to itself.

[austintorn@aol.com]

What is the “secret” of human behavior,
One that’s really so much the saviour
That we may even keep it from ourselves
Rather than very far into it try to delve?

(The answer will be forthcoming if a post of a picture of Mother Nature or Miss Universe appears here.)

[melanie]

Free-males.......

........still come at a price, I would suggest.

Not all men are difficult to live with, only the ones that are alive and breathing ...lol


Actually, i love and adore men, but i couldn't eat a whole one...lol

[Profpat]

OK Austin here she is. I think one reason for the popularity of this thread is the periodic posting of a beautiful woman.

[labelwench]

Well George didn't have any clothes for me to pee on.

We are only now beginning to comprehend that animals (and plants) are far more intelligent or sensitive than we have given them credit for.

We do not yet have a clear understanding of the psychology of our own species, so it would naturally follow that we cannot comprehend the same in other species.

Perhaps that is why it has been said, 'First, know thyself'.

Kind regards,

LW

[Profpat]

Not all men are difficult to live with, only the ones that are alive and breathing ...lol


Actually, i love and adore men, but i couldn't eat a whole one...lol

Sorry to disappoint Mel, as I said before I'd divorce myself if I could. But who would you ladies have to blame if not for us men?

Also sorry to disappoint you Austin as I'm sure you would have liked to have seen more.

[labelwench]

Not all men are difficult to live with, only the ones that are alive and breathing ...lol


Actually, i love and adore men, but i couldn't eat a whole one...lol

Personally, I like mine 'rare' with a sunny disposition.

Believe me, that's rare....