An Idea

[Profpat]

Hi Felix;

Great post and I don't know the answer. My guess is that you are right space/time doesn't vibrate rather it's the EMR. EMR being a 2 dimensional tranverse wave, would vibrate in all 3 directions. Strings I believe to be a one dimensional entity but like guitar stings could also be a 2 dimensional transverse wave. As far as the nodes I don't know. Are you proposing that a real Higgs Boson is formed when 2 different transverse waves meet?

I also have a problem imagining the space/time fabric being compared to a rubber sheet. Since there is no top bottom in space why is the image like this:

[Felix Schrodinger]

So Felix, in the interm space between two planks length, how would energy move forward?

Hi Dippy

Energy/mass moves along the links of the grid (or fabric) which makes up spacetime (I prefer the term 'gravitational field'). It consists of a waveform which contains the information relevant to that particle and transmits as a vibration of the link. There are no gaps in these links which I perceive to fulfill the role of 'gravitons'. As part of the 'fabric of spacetime' they are some 10^17 times larger in magnitude than the basic measurement - the Planck length. They are therefore very substantial, in absolute terms, and of similar size to 'string' or quarks.

There is nothing less than the Planck length, which is simply the smallest measurement that can be made. It is not something that exists as matter or anything else, thus, it has no gaps.

Felix

[Felix Schrodinger]

Hi Felix;

Great post and I don't know the answer. My guess is that you are right space/time doesn't vibrate rather it's the EMR. EMR being a 2 dimensional tranverse wave, would vibrate in all 3 directions. Strings I believe to be a one dimensional entity but like guitar stings could also be a 2 dimensional transverse wave. As far as the nodes I don't know. Are you proposing that a real Higgs Boson is formed when 2 different transverse waves meet?

I also have a problem imagining the space/time fabric being compared to a rubber sheet. Since there is no top bottom in space why is the image like this:

Hi Pat

Lets assume we have a set of links which form a three dimensional grid. Each consists of a rigid string which would be one dimensional. You could vibrate this connection like a guitar string in any dimension which would enable us to transmit a signal in the shape of a waveform. This could vary in frequency and amplitude and contain all sorts of minor harmonics (de Broglie). When I first joined this site, I read a paper where it was proposed that this vibration was actually in two dimensions thus comprising a helical waveform. I like this idea which can be visualised as a skipping rope.

Each waveform spreads out through the grid in all three spatial dimensions and when two waveforms come into proximity their probability function determines whether they should collapse and two interacting particles be formed.

From what are the particles themselves formed? Conventional physics tells us that we need a 'Higgs boson' for our particles to interact with for mass to exist. Is it not more likely that the missing thing is, in fact, the source of the physical particles. Imagine a ball of strings, which is connected to others by the links of the grid. When a waveform is collapsed, through interaction with another, the node emits strings which, in combination represent the waveform and form a particle. I don't have a name for this thing at the nodes so have called it a 'H boson' so far to differentiate it from the Higgs. Of course it's not a boson at all but that's another story.

regards
Felix

PS - the rubber sheet illustration is a pile of cat pooh!

[Profpat]

Felix your theory makes sense. Is this the theory you trying to get posted at the Toequest Site. I would be very interested in viewing it.

A better image in that it's at least symmetrical is for a supermassive black hole:

A dust-bound supermassive black hole [artist's impression]

[neutralino]

I also have a problem imagining the space/time fabric being compared to a rubber sheet. Since there is no top bottom in space why is the image like this:

Well, as I'm sure you realise, it's incredibly difficult to draw the curvature of a four dimensional spacetime in a three dimensional diagram embedded in a two dimensional plane! That diagram discards one dimension and shows a three dimensional universe, which has curvature in the up-down dimension.

[Profpat]

That explains that image Neutralino. So with a black hole wouldn't it attract all massive objects in ALL directions, and therefor not be a hole but a something I'm not sure how to describe.

Best,

Pat

[neutralino]

That explains that image Neutralino. So with a black hole wouldn't it attract all massive objects in ALL directions, and therefor not be a hole but a something I'm not sure how to describe.

Best,

Pat

Yes, think of a black hole in the same way you would think of a star-- a sphere-- but just very very dense. Now, if you go back to that image, imagine that we live in a 2d spacial universe (the flat sheet of rubber) that has a black hole at the point in the middle. The black hole causes the space to curve. So, as you can see from the diagram, no matter where you are around the outside of the black hole, the space is curved in the same manner. So, any object approaching the black hole from any direction (remembering that we are in 2D so you can only come from back-front or left-right) will have its path changed due to the curvature of the space; i.e. it will be affected by the gravity of the black hole.

I hope this makes sense!!

[N0B0DY]

There is nothing less than the Planck length, which is simply the smallest measurement that can be made. It is not something that exists as matter or anything else, thus, it has no gaps.

I think the gaps you've omitted can serve as the basis for quantum gravity, Felix. If there were no gaps they wouldn't be called planck lengths, and we can use these gaps to set the cumulative gravitational effect of planck mass which results in the "c" constant.

[Profpat]

We have the same glue. It comes with a statutory warning ' Doesnt mend broken hearts and broken families'

You're right Dipayankar it doesn't.

In fact I eminated the 8 gluons from my Idea. I didn't need them. The 8 colors can all be represented on the quark areas directly. And I didn't need the gluons to bind the 3 quarks. I did it by superposing and interweaving them.

Best to you,

Pat

[Profpat]

Hi everyone: I saw a great one minute video at ( 7 wonders of the world.wmv ) Sorry I couldn't url it. You'll be able to find it if you do a search for the above.

Best to all,

Pat