An Idea

[KiGs]

Well I'm referring to the lines I look at while I trade. I'll show you some and maybe you'll see what I mean. I bet you could find a million things that look like brain waves in some of the smaller time frames! Here is two 1-minute time frames one with candlesticks one just a line. And then the 1-Hour with candlesticks to show why I said the last two days were amazing. (Oh and I shift between a bunch of time frames when I trade.. rarely do I even glance at a 1-minute one though.)



Oh and I saw the other thread that referred to the Octant. It must be reassuring to see similar ideas pop up in other good minds. : )

[Profpat]

Thank you for your input KiGs.

I like the candle wave diagram relating it to time.

I think you'll find, if you haven't already, that indeed most members try to help each other, like you have been doing yourself.

I been to a few other science sites but this one that Robert has started is by far the most friendly.

Very best to you KiGs.

Pat

[MJA]

Oh and on the main topic Pat I find that searching for numbers in nature can sometimes lead to overlooking the real reasons. I don't deny that numbers show themselves in nature in very odd ways, but you can find almost every number in nature!

Dear KiGs,

I have never been able to find real numbers in nature other than the numbers mankind creates; which makes them natural I guess. Could you show me an example of a real number in nature other than manmade ones?

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MJA

[KiGs]

Dear KiGs,

I have never been able to find real numbers in nature other than the numbers mankind creates; which makes them natural I guess. Could you show me an example of a real number in nature other than manmade ones?

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MJA

Hallå MJA : )

I'm not exactly sure what your asking because I don't really see the difference between a man made number and a number occurring in nature. Numbers are used in math which refers to logic, and some number sequences find themselves in a lot of different things. The point of that post was to show that yes they are in nature, but that almost every number could be found if you looked hard enough, remember the movie 23! Trailer -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnMp5rW56J8

I mentioned a few number sequences such as Fibonacci and Elliot Waves. Fibonacci is the sequence 0-1-1-2-3-5-8-etc. and it can be found in a bunch of flowers, structure of certain insect colonies, some say shells, trees, pine cones and on and on. Elliot Waves are used to predict economic activity under the idea that human behavior is predictable.. and the whole Elliot wave concept was adapted by many other fields in psychology to explain other behaviors. Blah blah blah.

Oh and don't forget Profpat's 3s and 8s! : )

[Profpat]

Oh and don't forget Profpat's 3s and 8s! : )

HI KiGs and the 1's and 2's and also 7's

Best to you KiGs,

Pat

1 singulaity The whole
2 the duality The complementary opposite
3 trinity The 3 quarks
7 and 8 The inner dimensions

[MJA]

Hallå MJA : )

I'm not exactly sure what your asking because I don't really see the difference between a man made number and a number occurring in nature. Numbers are used in math which refers to logic, and some number sequences find themselves in a lot of different things. The point of that post was to show that yes they are in nature, but that almost every number could be found if you looked hard enough, remember the movie 23! Trailer -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnMp5rW56J8

I mentioned a few number sequences such as Fibonacci and Elliot Waves. Fibonacci is the sequence 0-1-1-2-3-5-8-etc. and it can be found in a bunch of flowers, structure of certain insect colonies, some say shells, trees, pine cones and on and on. Elliot Waves are used to predict economic activity under the idea that human behavior is predictable.. and the whole Elliot wave concept was adapted by many other fields in psychology to explain other behaviors. Blah blah blah.

Oh and don't forget Profpat's 3s and 8s! : )

Dear KiGs,

So then there are no numbers that naturally exist other than the numbers that we create, like 1 and 2, right? Man has also created the letters of the alphabet, like A & B, but again, without mankind's inventiveness, they wouldn't exist ether, would they?
Without mankind, nature would be void of numbers and letters.

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MJA

[neutralino]

Dear KiGs,

So then there are no numbers that naturally exist other than the numbers that we create, like 1 and 2, right? Man has also created the letters of the alphabet, like A & B, but again, without mankind's inventiveness, they wouldn't exist ether, would they?
Without mankind, nature would be void of numbers and letters.

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MJA

Sure, man created mathematics as a way of communicating physical laws to each other. Without mathematics, the world would still be the same, but we wouldn't be able to describe the physical laws, or make any predictions.

[Profpat]

I tell my students that the beginning of arithmetic and writing began when mankind began accounting for his livestock. This basic thought pattern began with what is known as One to One correspondence.

~4000 BC in Mesopatamia, man would pick up a hunk of mud and with a twig make slash marks in the mud. Each slash mark represented something of reality, like a goat going out to pasture. As the goats came back he could cross off each slash mark, thereby accounting for all his goats. If all the slash marks were not crossed off he knew there were goats still out in pasture and send out his children to retrieve them. Only after all the original slash marks were crossed off could he go to sleep. ( Lost sheep parable ).

Now he didn't invent a numbering system yet, but the concept that a certain number of goats was still established and cetainly WITH OR WITHOUT a numbering system, still a certain NUMBER of goats or sheep still existed.

//////// represents the number of goats. Now the number 8 was not invented yet, still 8 goats is represented.

This is the foundation of representation, which started math and writing.

It's not surprising that the oldest written artifacts is just that, recordkeeping.

Best,

Pat

[KiGs]

Whooooosh!

[Profpat]

Thank you KiGs. I love it.

Now I have to think of something intelligent to discuss about the dynamics of the complementary opposites

Tomorrow.