[Profpat]

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Last night we had a chat regarding time. I would like to expand that topic to bring in proton, man, and the universe. Man the measure of all things standing between the smallest and the largest.

In physics the proton is made up of three quarks. Each one needed, independent yet dependent on the other two in order to create the dymamics of the particle. The foundation of our matter.

Man also is made up of three essentials parts to make up the whole PERSON. That is Mind, Body and Spirit ( Emotion ).

This Trinity of essential items is true for the universe as well. Namely, Time, Motion and Space. Each of these elements are necessary to comprise the entire universe.

To try to seperate them to study only one element is to lose the dynamics of the whole.

Time is a function of space and motion and vice versa.
The formula for time is T = D/R or if you will Time = space/motion

This is true for our fundamental unit of time, Planck time. Planck time= Planck length/c. Where c = light speed.

TBC

[Profpat]

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Time is associated with spatial change and motion.
Aristotle felt time is a measure of motion.
Plato believed time was motion.
Newton thought time was absolute.

Time is a fundamental scalar quanity.
Time is presence of motion induced by expansion of space into matter and energy.

However time, space and motion are all relative, none of which is an absolute.

Only the SPACE/TIME INTERVAL is absolute, and here you have to consider the relationship of space, time and motion.

The formula for the interval is:
S2 = X2+Y2+Z2 - c2t2
Where S is the interval; X,Y,Z are the spatial coordinates; c is the speed of light; t is time; 2 is squared.

So here to come up with an absolute all three elements of the universe must be considered.

[Profpat]

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It appears that the universe may be eternal, through the operant forces of TRINITY; that being Time, Space, and Motion.

The proton may also be eternal, through the operant forces of TRINITY; that being the three quarks. An estimated half life for a proton is 10 years to the 35th power, if indeed it has a half life.

Experimental evidence
Proton decay is one of the few observable effects of the various proposed GUTs, the other major one being magnetic monopoles. Both became the focus of major experimental physics efforts starting in the early 1980s. Proton decay was, for a time, an extremely exciting area of experimental physics research. To date, all attempts to observe these events have failed. Recent experiments at the Super-Kamiokande water Cherenkov radiation detector in Japan indicate that if protons decay at all, their half-life must be at least 1035 years.

[edit] Theoretical motivation

Despite the lack of observational evidence for proton decay, some grand unification theories require it. According to some such theories, the proton has a half-life of about 1036 years, and decays into a positron and a neutral pion that itself immediately decays into 2 gamma ray photons:


Of course the big question is man's life eternal, because of TRINITY???????

[KiGs]

Pat what's the difference between mind and spirit? Wouldn't emotion be a byproduct of mind?

[dipayankar]

In terms of Humans I would like to refine your trinity to Heart, Brain and the Neural System...

Originally Posted by Profpat ........................TRINITY................... ......... ................................................. Last night we had a chat regarding time. I would like to expand that topic to bring in proton, man, and the universe. Man the measure of all things standing between the smallest and the largest. In physics the proton is made up of three quarks. Each one needed, independent yet dependent on the other two in order to create the dymamics of the particle. The foundation of our matter. Man also is made up of three essentials parts to make up the whole PERSON. That is Mind, Body and Spirit ( Emotion ). This Trinity of essential items is true for the universe as well. Namely, Time, Motion and Space. Each of these elements are necessary to comprise the entire universe. To try to seperate them to study only one element is to lose the dynamics of the whole. Time is a function of space and motion and vice versa. The formula for time is T = D/R or if you will Time = space/motion This is true for our fundamental unit of time, Planck time. Planck time= Planck length/c. Where c = light speed. TBC

[Profpat]

Hi KiGs;

You posit a valid suggestion as to whether emotions are part of the mind. It could well be, but I prefer to keep it separate. Plato and some of our members think time and motion are the same. Again I view them as separate but integral to each other.

On the same level of thought, I guess we could say the mind is part of the body, but I like the separate classifications. So I view the dynamics of the human to have the trinity of forces, i.e. Mind, Body, and Spirit, or if you well Mental, Physical, and Emotional.

I believe aspects of the emotional, are capable of transcending the mental. In the words of Huey Lewis “ have you ever had a heartache?” The emotional appears to be an antagonist to rationality at such times.

Fear, anger, joy, bliss, love/hate, lust, are all .what I would call emotional. ( laughter, tears )

When I taught at California State University I would discuss, with my female students, this situation. Suppose there is a very good looking guy, but there is this other guy, good looking but not as good looking, but he was smarter, who would you pick? After an answer I would then ask them, what if there was this third guy, good looking enough, but not as good looking as the first two; smart enough, smarter than the first, but not as smart as the second. But let us say this last one has the best spirit of the three. He has humor, compassion, is able to love and beloved in return. Now who would you pick. ( I’ll let you answer for yourself, except to say one asked who was the richest. )

Indeed the mind itself is separated into three components, the Id, Ego, and Superego; or Parent, Adult, and Child.

[dipayankar]

It had to come Prof. Money had to come. Especially for ladies.

Originally Posted by Profpat Hi KiGs; You posit a valid suggestion as to whether emotions are part of the mind. It could well be, but I prefer to keep it separate. Plato and some of our members think time and motion are the same. Again I view them as separate but integral to each other. On the same level of thought, I guess we could say the mind is part of the body, but I like the separate classifications. So I view the dynamics of the human to have the trinity of forces, i.e. Mind, Body, and Spirit, or if you well Mental, Physical, and Emotional. I believe aspects of the emotional, are capable of transcending the mental. In the words of Huey Lewis “ have you ever had a heartache?” The emotional appears to be an antagonist to rationality at such times. Fear, anger, joy, bliss, love/hate, lust, are all .what I would call emotional. ( laughter, tears ) When I taught at California State University I would discuss, with my female students, this situation. Suppose there is a very good looking guy, but there is this other guy, good looking but not as good looking, but he was smarter, who would you pick? After an answer I would then ask them, what if there was this third guy, good looking enough, but not as good looking as the first two; smart enough, smarter than the first, but not as smart as the second. But let us say this last one has the best spirit of the three. He has humor, compassion, is able to love and beloved in return. Now who would you pick. ( I’ll let you answer for yourself, except to say one asked who was the richest. ) Indeed the mind itself is separated into three components, the Id, Ego, and Superego; or Parent, Adult, and Child.

[Profpat]

Originally Posted by dipayankar It had to come Prof. Money had to come. Especially for ladies.

True enough Dipayankar, but I have a feeling if I asked the male students the same question regarding girls, they would have stopped at the first. Who is the best looking.

Best,

Pat

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by Profpat This Trinity of essential items is true for the universe as well. Namely, Time, Motion and Space. Each of these elements are necessary to comprise the entire universe.

Hi Profpat

Talking (as you were) of Trinities - you forgot the most important - Brahmah, Shiva and Vishnu. Without Brahmah there is no space; without Shiva there is no time hence motion.

regards
Felix

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by Profpat Time is associated with spatial change and motion. Aristotle felt time is a measure of motion. Plato believed time was motion. Newton thought time was absolute. However time, space and motion are all relative, none of which is an absolute. Only the SPACE/TIME INTERVAL is absolute, and here you have to consider the relationship of space, time and motion.

Hi Profpat

I don't quite agree with this. IMHO time and space are absolute. Motion is the movement of matter through space at a rate controlled by time.

Time is not 'associated' with spatial change and motion - it controls motion. I agree that the SPACE/TIME INTERVAL is absolute which makes them both absolute.

regards
Felix