[Sentient marine]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

There you go mate. The multiverse concept does come in. However if at Y=0 you have 4 interactions, then does it mean that our Universe is in a quadratic system of interlinked Universes???

Hello dipayankar
I was looking at a wave so that at the line Y=0 the volume or size is still there but the force has reversed. Much like a wave comes in from the ocean runs its energy out on the beach and retreats to the ocean. Or if you like going from the beach runs into greater force and returns to the beach.

Our early universe seemed to have stages, a rapid expansion stage (inflation) and the a dark epoch (I decided this should be a deflation but that is just me it is not mainstream science). From the dark epoch space expanded rapidly again to the 5 billion year mark, slowed to the 8 billion year mark and the took of presumably explained by dark energy.

So in a gravity density cyclical universe the inflation is the big bang energy expanding against the pressure of creating space to expand into. The dark epoch is very rapid cooling and reversal of force where the space collapses to a super condensate of a balance of matter and energy that folded back in on itself. Time is a bit strange in variable energy compressed space. Then it is like the space we know. The only thing about gravity density is that we are not expanding rapidly out of control due to there being no dark energy.

The shape of gravity is determined by the minute difference between the electric linear force and the magnetic circular force as the strong nuclear force has no distance component like the electromagnetic force and neither does the weak nuclear force. So strong binds like air pressure and weak lifts stability up to the element level of iron and since gravity only acts on the protons and neutrons why should it impede our movement. That is why the hammer and the feather fall at the same rate on the moon, it is because they are made of the same stuff ... protons and neutrons, cheers

[Sentient marine]

I suppose the simplest explanation is a bomb just like in the cartoons. It is big and round and when it goes off it expands at a predictable rate.

Now mathematically if we came along some time later and did not see the big round bomb we might just map the explosion right back to a point and decide all the energy actually came from an infinitely small point. (sound familiar)

The second part is if the bomb explodes in the open and just spreads or ignites its surroundings like a petrol bomb ... that is a two expansion inflation.

If the bomb was detonated under water the expansion is resisted and so the two components are one expansion and one compression. Now if one of the components was to be inverted in some fashion, fold back in on itself it may look like a normal two expansion type bomb.

[dipayankar]

There was a good example mate. However I have a stupid question. Why does gravity and energy (photon) react when photon is mass less???

Originally Posted by Sentient marine

Hello dipayankar
I was looking at a wave so that at the line Y=0 the volume or size is still there but the force has reversed. Much like a wave comes in from the ocean runs its energy out on the beach and retreats to the ocean. Or if you like going from the beach runs into greater force and returns to the beach.

Our early universe seemed to have stages, a rapid expansion stage (inflation) and the a dark epoch (I decided this should be a deflation but that is just me it is not mainstream science). From the dark epoch space expanded rapidly again to the 5 billion year mark, slowed to the 8 billion year mark and the took of presumably explained by dark energy.

So in a gravity density cyclical universe the inflation is the big bang energy expanding against the pressure of creating space to expand into. The dark epoch is very rapid cooling and reversal of force where the space collapses to a super condensate of a balance of matter and energy that folded back in on itself. Time is a bit strange in variable energy compressed space. Then it is like the space we know. The only thing about gravity density is that we are not expanding rapidly out of control due to there being no dark energy.

The shape of gravity is determined by the minute difference between the electric linear force and the magnetic circular force as the strong nuclear force has no distance component like the electromagnetic force and neither does the weak nuclear force. So strong binds like air pressure and weak lifts stability up to the element level of iron and since gravity only acts on the protons and neutrons why should it impede our movement. That is why the hammer and the feather fall at the same rate on the moon, it is because they are made of the same stuff ... protons and neutrons, cheers

[Sentient marine]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

There was a good example mate. However I have a stupid question. Why does gravity and energy (photon) react when photon is mass less???

Not at all, it is an excellent question. Take the oceans of the world ... it would need to be big enough to register a change and warm them due to heat and light from the sun by photons. Using the equivalence principle E=m.c^2 once that energy has been absorbed by the matter it makes the matter just that bit heavier using the formula.

So while the energy is on the move no mass ... join it to matter then it adds to the overall mass ever so slightly. Well that is the mathematics of it, it may be a while until there is sufficiently accurate enough equipment or a test devised to show a result.

So far the most accurate long range test is the cube reflectors on the moon put there by the Apollo 11 crew and another set by a Russian moon mission. They are designed to reflect a laser exactly back the way it came have given results for about thirty years. On average the drift outward for the moon is about 3.8 centimetres per year. But that is based on a whole range of variables ... no guarantee of any one in particular.

[dipayankar]

So if for example we take a quark and shine a lot of light on it, would it be subjected to any force what so ever?? If yes how?? F=MA. The is not mass od a photon..

Originally Posted by Sentient marine

Not at all, it is an excellent question. Take the oceans of the world ... it would need to be big enough to register a change and warm them due to heat and light from the sun by photons. Using the equivalence principle E=m.c^2 once that energy has been absorbed by the matter it makes the matter just that bit heavier using the formula.

So while the energy is on the move no mass ... join it to matter then it adds to the overall mass ever so slightly. Well that is the mathematics of it, it may be a while until there is sufficiently accurate enough equipment or a test devised to show a result.

So far the most accurate long range test is the cube reflectors on the moon put there by the Apollo 11 crew and another set by a Russian moon mission. They are designed to reflect a laser exactly back the way it came have given results for about thirty years. On average the drift outward for the moon is about 3.8 centimetres per year. But that is based on a whole range of variables ... no guarantee of any one in particular.

[Sentient marine]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

So if for example we take a quark and shine a lot of light on it, would it be subjected to any force what so ever?? If yes how?? F=MA. The is not mass of a photon..

It depends on whether a quark is a mass. Certainly under accepted theory it is but I admit I am looking at the proton neutron as being the inner quantum medium and that all packages at a distance from that boundary are energy types. So it is not the standard model I am looking at.

What it does is give our static perception of the universe quite a flow. The closest I could think of to a world cycle is the Gulf stream because in it full circuit it traverses both north and south pole and quite a length of the equator. It would sound strange to give the shape of the universe as the electric and magnetic part of the gravity force only but that was the best fit I could get to unify quantum, relative and the electric universe.

Now to say we are racing around our balloon from one end of the universe to the other or drifting into smaller flows of time and gravity will sound very strange, profoundly strange.

Perhaps in time we will know more. In the mean time ideas are the stepping stones we have. If they are any good hopefully we will use them.

[dipayankar]

Lets look at the subatomic level. What forces exist there?? Weak and Strong Nuclear forces, EM Forces, Gravity??? Does gravity exist?? If it does, in what form? Does it flip over and become replusive force at some quantum distance??

Originally Posted by Sentient marine

It depends on whether a quark is a mass. Certainly under accepted theory it is but I admit I am looking at the proton neutron as being the inner quantum medium and that all packages at a distance from that boundary are energy types. So it is not the standard model I am looking at.

What it does is give our static perception of the universe quite a flow. The closest I could think of to a world cycle is the Gulf stream because in it full circuit it traverses both north and south pole and quite a length of the equator. It would sound strange to give the shape of the universe as the electric and magnetic part of the gravity force only but that was the best fit I could get to unify quantum, relative and the electric universe.

Now to say we are racing around our balloon from one end of the universe to the other or drifting into smaller flows of time and gravity will sound very strange, profoundly strange.

Perhaps in time we will know more. In the mean time ideas are the stepping stones we have. If they are any good hopefully we will use them.

[Sentient marine]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Lets look at the subatomic level. What forces exist there?? Weak and Strong Nuclear forces, EM Forces, Gravity??? Does gravity exist?? If it does, in what form? Does it flip over and become repulsive force at some quantum distance??

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That really is the question. In the current physics no, it is not present in the quantum world although scientists are looking at trying to find loop gravity. That sort of suggests that even at that tiny scale the missing component is a circle.

I tried looking at when the discoveries were made and what was known at the time the various fields of science separated. So the first big separation was gravity and mass versus electricity. The world would no doubt be a very different place had we followed the discoveries made by Tesla. In that time Tesla described space as being very stiff. At that time space was thought to be a vacuum and empty.

I suppose for me to describe it as very flexible and full just sounds down right contrary. But we do know that space has enormous zero point energy potential and so full could look like very stiff or hard to compress. In the perfect fluid of space maybe gravity does exist in the strong, weak and EM forces as compression lift and torsion. Some of the gravity (well most of it actually) is only felt at the level of the proton in a gravity density system and would have no influence on larger clusters (us).

In a matter antimatter connected galaxy the component that does affect us may just be the difference between the EM field using the right hand rule. So our rotation is a link to an antimatter arm of the galaxy and electricity is flow along it and gravity (the bit of the gravity we feel) is our perception of the push. Given the great attractor arm of the galaxy is some 700 times more gravity attracted and that a new antimatter halo has been detected near the core of the galaxy ... some of these more obscure ideas might be worth another try, cheers

[Sentient marine]

Perhaps I have looked to far in all directions and lost a few already. So if I take a better known object that has the tornadoes of electric universe, particles of matter and waves relative ... I might just be looking at a cloud.

The air pressure has no impact on the flow of a cloud ... the much lesser breeze moves clouds. The air pressure has everything to do with the formation of water droplets by working on a super condensate of moisture. The electrical structure ... the tornadoes of energy are the vortices of uplift and friction and rotation.

That is what I mean by gravity density ... matter is a super condensate of energy and light is the wind of gravity. Light flows along the shape of the system and we see the system as if we were in the flow and form of that light ... as if in the wind.

When we see those beautiful pictures from APOD that appear to be flat spirals they are in reality great long tubes or filaments. Try taking a point near the centre and imagine stretching the outer arms away from you like a great set of paired springs. At some point perspective will make that galaxy look like a tube and that is the look that the electrical engineers have produced in lab experiments with Birkeland paired electrical filaments.

Why do we see the galaxies as flat if they are not ... because we are travelling so fast in the flow of space as compared to the medium of space that special relativity applies and it is called Lorentz contraction but what we see as we fly through the universe is our immediate surroundings (our galaxy) as flat.

Magnetic pole reverses, in this model they should come in sets of four like a pendulum moves through four points on its swing. Call left side A right side B and the centre C. For one complete cycle from A to B and back counting A once ... the points A and B are reached once and the centre C is passed twice. In frozen lava flows magnetic reversal has been shown to take a few days tops. It is like going from a right hand electric rule to left hand. Hold your right hand thumb up palm towards chest and the fingers curl anticlockwise. Hold your left hand thumb up palm towards chest and the fingers curl clockwise.

Some of the pole reversals will be strong and immediate while others will be progressive weakening and gradual in sets of four like a pendulum through the points. Maybe to much info in this but I am sure someone skilled in writing can modify the idea to make it clearer, cheers

[dipayankar]

Couple of observations Sentient..

From what you say, it implies gravity is not an universal force, because at quantum level it does not exist (per se). Also is gravity only a perception to us? What about the pull the comets and other planets feel towards the sun?? If it is because of the curvature of spacetime, I believe comets do not have that much of mass to create that much of a curvature.

Also if gravity was because of the curvature, then our moon would have rolled over to the sun....

Awaiting your reply

Originally Posted by Sentient marine

my bold

That really is the question. In the current physics no, it is not present in the quantum world although scientists are looking at trying to find loop gravity. That sort of suggests that even at that tiny scale the missing component is a circle.

I tried looking at when the discoveries were made and what was known at the time the various fields of science separated. So the first big separation was gravity and mass versus electricity. The world would no doubt be a very different place had we followed the discoveries made by Tesla. In that time Tesla described space as being very stiff. At that time space was thought to be a vacuum and empty.

I suppose for me to describe it as very flexible and full just sounds down right contrary. But we do know that space has enormous zero point energy potential and so full could look like very stiff or hard to compress. In the perfect fluid of space maybe gravity does exist in the strong, weak and EM forces as compression lift and torsion. Some of the gravity (well most of it actually) is only felt at the level of the proton in a gravity density system and would have no influence on larger clusters (us).

In a matter antimatter connected galaxy the component that does affect us may just be the difference between the EM field using the right hand rule. So our rotation is a link to an antimatter arm of the galaxy and electricity is flow along it and gravity (the bit of the gravity we feel) is our perception of the push. Given the great attractor arm of the galaxy is some 700 times more gravity attracted and that a new antimatter halo has been detected near the core of the galaxy ... some of these more obscure ideas might be worth another try, cheers