[rybot]

[quote=Tina;43199]Before anyone makes another move I suggest they watch this video

Tina, I have dial-up and took me 15 minutes to get the first half of pt. 1.

Too slow for me.

I still don't see a #3 physical grey area in addition too #1 *On*( active/flowing ) and #2 *Off*( passive/not flowing ).

The only threesome includes only uncertainty of mind, to best of my knowledge.

Actually there may be way to integrate a physical threeness into skewed version of the scenario I laid out.

#1 action is to move the switch to on or off position

#2 reaction is the light if goes off, if on goes on

#3 resultant, which may any one of many possiblities, is person moves forward without tripping or person moves forward more slowly and trips over anyway, or person goes bacwards to get flashlight.

However, even tho the skewed version is a true physical threeness the original scenario remains as binary physicality with the third aspect being only metaphysical.

Oops when trying to send I get message say my message is too short and too add more words.

Hmm I just added more than ten charactors and still no send

Rybo

[rybot]

Originally Posted by dipayankar I broadly classified the forces. Also somehow the concept of gluon is not comforting. This seems more like a hypothetical particle.

Dipa, I'm not sure that gluons are hypothetical not i.e. there is even talk of combinatioins of gluons called 'gluballs' and all appear to be part of the Standard Model. Convetion model accepted by conventional physicists.

Bosonic forces accepted;
#1 EMagnetic( photons )
#2 Weak( W+,W- and Zo )
#3 Mesons( kaons pions etc... ) Strong nuclear
#4 Gluons( storng sub-nuclear )

Bosonic forces hypothetical;
#5 Higgs( gives mass to particles )
#6 graviton( mass-attractive pulling-in )

If all six are become accepted then perhaps we could have a double threeness until then the only the only three-ness, in Standard Model, is the;

36 kinds of quarks( ergo 12 * 3 = 36 )
12 kinds of electron( 4 * 3 = 12 )
12 kinds of neutrino( 4 * 3 = 12 )

Rybo

[Tina]

[quote=rybot;43224]

Originally Posted by Tina Tina, I have dial-up and took me 15 minutes to get the first half of pt. 1. Too slow for me. I still don't see a #3 physical grey area in addition too #1 *On*( active/flowing ) and #2 *Off*( passive/not flowing ). The only threesome includes only uncertainty of mind, to best of my knowledge. Actually there may be way to integrate a physical threeness into skewed version of the scenario I laid out. Rybo

Sorry you have such sluggish dial-up going. Its late here now so tomorrow I will explain how [0, + and -] have everything to do with production of electricity.

[dipayankar]

We are talking of physics here. Can feelings have physical properties??


[quote=Tina;43214][quote=dipayankar;42598]Is there any way we can mathematically quantify feelings?? I guess feelings would be more human and hence unquantifiable..

I believe we can quantify feelings. If we take the six universally regognised human instinctive emotions: Fear Anger Disgust Surprise Sadness Happiness Then we can classifify our individual feelings by identifying them as members of one of these major groups. Once the identified group is found then you can begin to rate the degree of feeling on a scale. e.g. Shyness - Fear - 2 on Fear Scale Impatience - Anger - 4 on Anger Scale Homophobic - Disgust - 9 on Disgust scale

[Tina]

[quote=dipayankar;43368]We are talking of physics here. Can feelings have physical properties??


[quote=Tina;43214]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Is there any way we can mathematically quantify feelings?? I guess feelings would be more human and hence unquantifiable..

Well fellings have phisiolgical properties and if we monitored the heart we would be able to guage measurable properties. Feelings are exactly this: PHYSICALLY FELT
they do not exist on some mental intangible landscape. Feelings are electro-chemical reactions FACT.

But back to physics. Please look at Plasma Universe.

[dipayankar]

I would like to disagree here TINA. Feelings are purely emotional in nature and felt by the living world. But in physics (especially cosmology) we do not have living matter. So no feelings here...

[quote=Tina;43377][quote=dipayankar;43368]We are talking of physics here. Can feelings have physical properties??

Originally Posted by Tina Well fellings have phisiolgical properties and if we monitored the heart we would be able to guage measurable properties. Feelings are exactly this: PHYSICALLY FELT they do not exist on some mental intangible landscape. Feelings are electro-chemical reactions FACT. But back to physics. Please look at Plasma Universe.

[Tina]

[quote=dipayankar;43381]I would like to disagree here TINA. Feelings are purely emotional in nature and felt by the living world. But in physics (especially cosmology) we do not have living matter. So no feelings here...

[quote=Tina;43377]

Originally Posted by dipayankar We are talking of physics here. Can feelings have physical properties??

OK strickly "innaminate" universe

[rybot]

[quote=Tina;43238]

Originally Posted by rybot Sorry you have such sluggish dial-up going. Its late here now so tomorrow I will explain how [0, + and -] have everything to do with production of electricity.

Tina, as stated, I watched first half "plasma". If there is something there related to my phyiscally binary, *On*-*Off*, light switch scenario, I did not see it.

As to your comment above, my scenario is in regards to the 'flow' or 'no-flow' of electrons, and not the "production of electrons". I hope you can see the differrence and that you truly do have ideas in regards to the former.

As for the complex biological, we have left and right bilateralism --e.g set of 31 bilateral spinal nerves and left and right hemi-spheres--, however, the thirdness is the central spinal axis --from which the nerves protrude-- and the corpus callosum, between the two hemi-spheres.

As for two ears, two eyes two nostrils, two arms , two legs etc..we can stay they are extensions of the thirness i mentioned, however, there is another thirdness and that is process of triangulation that is also known as getting a 'fix' on something, wheter visually, sound-wise, olfactory-wise ant touch-wise.

Rybo

[Tina]

Originally Posted by rybot I have another concern about threeness which involves simple binary action or non-action( passive )that may or may not have been covered here as the binary enumerations. I think Tina has a post regarding; + aka +1( e.g. postive charge proton ) - aka -1( e.g. negative charge electron ) and 0 aka neutral( chargeless neutron grey area ) My concern is to specific set of circumstances( light switch ) wherein there is *on*( ergo electrons flow ) and *off*( ergo no electron flow ). There is no grey area between those two that I'm aware of. Regarding the latter there is only one grey area of consideration in that circumstance and that is of the uncertainty of mind, as to whether the electrons are, or, are not flowing through the switch. If there is no light bulb( or meter ) to tell us if the electrons are flowing through the switch --or not-- then we need to make a physical observation, by installing light bulb meter whatever. So we have the physical flow( active ) or no flow( passive ) and then metaphysial abstraction uncertatinty( grey area ) of mind. Rybo

Firstly in Protheory anything can be explained in terms of a dynamic
between a +/-/0 potential. Now with lightswitch one position (on) will restore circuit the other (off) will break circuit continuity - with or without a working lightbulb. The circuit still exists - just neutralised.

(Off) is actually the neutral (0) position in this electricity dynamic in that it neutralises the existing electron flow within the circuit. The electrons do not vanish they are simply neutralised (on either side of the break or opening in circuit)and when this neutralising force is removed (ON) once again electrons are free to move from (-) to (+) path in circuit.

[Tina]

[quote=rybot;43393]

Originally Posted by Tina Tina, as stated, I watched first half "plasma". If there is something there related to my phyiscally binary, *On*-*Off*, light switch scenario, I did not see it. As to your comment above, my scenario is in regards to the 'flow' or 'no-flow' of electrons, and not the "production of electrons". I hope you can see the differrence and that you truly do have ideas in regards to the former. Rybo

Plasma Universe is just an extension oF THREENESS on cosmic scale.

Here is equation for lightswitch example

Let C = Circuit (electron flow)

C (POSITIVE) = Circuit
- C (NEGATIVE) = No Circuit
-(E) ^ - (-E) (NEUTRAL)

This last line is expressing: (when light is off) it is not the case that there is an electron flow in opertion but it is not the case that there is not electron flow in operation . The electron flow is simply temporarily interupted or open.