[rybot]

Tina, I think i understand that neutrality means zero as zero charge, as in not -1( eletron ) or +1( positron ) but something neutral inbetween.


I would say neutron but --which is what I meant to say in earlier post---, however, now that I rethink this -1 in relation to +1 in particle physics,

and specifially *elementary leptons*, that,

there are 6 electron types and 6 anti-electron types --anti mean opposite charge--- and furthermore, that,

for each of the 12 types of electron there is a corresponding neutrino, ergo,

we have as follows
-1( electron ) 0( neutrino )______0(anti-neutrino ) +1( positron )


Hmmm, there is netral and anti-neutral in the *elementary lepton* realm. See what I mean Tina?

In the baryon realm we have +1( proton ) and 0( neutron ) 0( anti-neutron ) and -1( anti-proton ).

Hmmm, verrrrry interrresting, frauline Tina, dont you think so.

Rybo

Originally Posted by Tina When you're rethinking this please bear in mind that "neutrality" means not positive (+1) and not negative (-1) The negation/opposite of (+1) but something else Neutral is also a point from which all measurements can be made. Take three points of triangle - any point can be named "neutral" in relation to the other two points which diverge into the +1 and -1 directions determined by the Neutral point. Do you see how neutrality is a relative position of counterbalance between to other arbitrary positions...it is not necessarily a statement of literal position or function of doing nothing. These things are so difficult for me to express clearly here

[Tina]

Originally Posted by rybot Tina, I think i understand that neutrality means zero as zero charge, as in not -1( eletron ) or +1( positron ) but something neutral inbetween. I would say neutron but --which is what I meant to say in earlier post---, however, now that I rethink this -1 in relation to +1 in particle physics, and specifially *elementary leptons*, that, there are 6 electron types and 6 anti-electron types --anti mean opposite charge--- and furthermore, that, for each of the 12 types of electron there is a corresponding neutrino, ergo, we have as follows -1( electron ) 0( neutrino )______0(anti-neutrino ) +1( positron ) Hmmm, there is netral and anti-neutral in the *elementary lepton* realm. See what I mean Tina? In the baryon realm we have +1( proton ) and 0( neutron ) 0( anti-neutron ) and -1( anti-proton ). Hmmm, verrrrry interrresting, frauline Tina, dont you think so. Rybo

Yes very interesting - especially when I don't understand all the concepts you are discussing. But I do see an explanation for the existance of neutral/anti neutral nutrino. This is to me the efficiency of the nutrino: it is the "swinger" which can go either way. It is informend by its corresponding
+ or - environment.

[rybot]

Originally Posted by Tina Yes very interesting - especially when I don't understand all the concepts you are discussing. But I do see an explanation for the existance of neutral/anti neutral nutrino. This is to me the efficiency of the nutrino: it is the "swinger" which can go either way. It is informend by its corresponding + or - environment.

Tina, baryons are heavy particles --e.g. proton and neutron-- composed of three quarks and quarks are not composed of any smaller particles, so, these quarks are labled as an *elementary* particle. Ok?

The electron is also an *elementary* particle, so, it si not composed of any smaller particles. Ok?

There are three kinds of *elementary* particles, in general:

1) quarks have a charge and three quarks combine to make a heavy particle called a *baryon* e.g proton or neutron )

2) electrons are charged particlces and are very light weight particles and are thte in the catagory of *leptons*

3) neutrinos are neutral( no charge ) leptons are the lightest weight particle in universe and are in *leptons* catagory same as electrons. Neutrinos are no composed of any smalle particles. Ok?


Now lets us see what is between the electron( -1) and the positron (+1) electron )

-1 O +1

Ok I see that there is nothing( no particles ) between the charged electron and charged positron ergo that is why we see a zero between those two.

So is there a particle between neutrino and the anti-neutrino, no so we have a zero between them

o1 0 1o

Now let us see if there is particle between charged proton and charged anti-proton

-1 0 +1


Now lets see if there is particel between neutron and anti-neutron

o1 0 1o


So Tina, maybe you correct, there are no particles between the particle and its anti-particle.


I see this as meaing that between two physcial and symmetrical particles of universe there is a metphysical zero of nothing ergo thise what we see

P1 M P1 where P1= physical something and M = metaphysical nothing.

Hope that makes sense to you.

Rybo

[Tina]

Originally Posted by rybot Now let us see if there is particle between charged proton and charged anti-proton.......... -1 0 +1 ...................................... Hope that makes sense to you. Rybo

I was just about to go to bed very zzzzzzzz but just had to say this makes much more sense that the stuff I've been trying to read on ParticlePhysics etc. So thank you for your effort here - I think it might pay off.

good-bye for now,

[neutralino]

Originally Posted by rybot There are three kinds of *elementary* particles, in general: 1) quarks have a charge and three quarks combine to make a heavy particle called a *baryon* e.g proton or neutron ) 2) electrons are charged particlces and are very light weight particles and are thte in the catagory of *leptons* 3) neutrinos are neutral( no charge ) leptons are the lightest weight particle in universe and are in *leptons* catagory same as electrons. Neutrinos are no composed of any smalle particles. Ok?

There are way more elementary particles than just quarks electrons and neutrinos. Elementary particles belong to one of two classes: namely, the fermions and the bosons. The elementary fermions can then be divided into two more classes-- the leptons and the quarks-- both groups which you mention above.[*]But note that there are many types of neutrino (electron neutrino, tau neutrino etc..). However, you neglected to mention the bosons. These, again, come in two varieties: gauge bosons and other bosons. (I don't think they have a special name). Gauge bosons are carriers of the fundamental forces, eg the photon, and the "other" bosons are more speculative particles, like the Higgs or the graviton.

Now lets us see what is between the electron( -1) and the positron (+1) electron ) -1 O +1 Ok I see that there is nothing( no particles ) between the charged electron and charged positron ergo that is why we see a zero between those two. So is there a particle between neutrino and the anti-neutrino, no so we have a zero between them o1 0 1o Now let us see if there is particle between charged proton and charged anti-proton -1 0 +1 Now lets see if there is particel between neutron and anti-neutron o1 0 1o So Tina, maybe you correct, there are no particles between the particle and its anti-particle.

What about the photon. It is its own antiparticle and thus would be "between" the two.



*Note that, while every elementary particle is either a boson or a fermion, not every fermion is an elementary particle. There are fermions (protons, for eg) that are composite particles. Particles are classified into the two groups by their spin: fermions have half integer spin whereas bosons have integer spin.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by neutralino There are way more elementary particles than just quarks electrons and neutrinos..... What about the photon. It is its own antiparticle and thus would be "between" the two.

Oh Brother!

I guess you are correct too. All I know is that for Protheory to be correct there needs to be a dynamic explained in terms of (+) (-) and (0) with (O) meaning neutral as in neither (+) or (-) but "something else". (O) does not mean NOTHING.

[rybot]

Neutralino) here are way more elementary particles than just quarks electrons and neutrinos. Elementary particles belong to one of two classes: namely, the fermions and the bosons. The elementary fermions can then be divided into two more classes-- the leptons and the quarks-- both groups which you mention above. [*]But note that there are many types of neutrino (electron neutrino, tau neutrino etc...

Hey Neutralino, your are correct, however, I was trying to keep my explanation as simple as possible, in hopes of not blowing Tina out of "theory of three" water/sea. Know what I mean? I had already mentioned in a previous message, the many( 24 ) types of electron and neutrino and believed that that was already going to far for Tina ergo the last post disregarded any *bosons* and all the additional electron and neutrino types, for simplicity sake. Know what I mean?


Neutralino) However, you neglected to mention the bosons. These, again, come in two varieties: gauge bosons and other bosons. (I don't think they have a special name). Gauge bosons are carriers of the fundamental forces, eg the photon, and the "other" bosons are more speculative particles, like the Higgs or the graviton. What about the photon. It is its own antiparticle and thus would be "between" the two.

Only weak bosons and the gluons are related to three. *Not* all bosons are three related ergo I was trying to keep the last post even more simple than the one previous to it. Know what I mean?




*Note that, while every elementary particle is either a boson or a fermion, not every fermion is an elementary particle. There are fermions (protons, for eg) that are composite particles. Particles are classified into the two groups by their spin: fermions have half integer spin whereas bosons have integer spin.

Hey Neutralino, no where did I suggest other wise to any of your above comment.

Spin information also was unneccesary to make my point(s) and keep it simple as possible for Tina.

I can talk photon if you want but first I was really hoping to see if Tina can grasp any of the info I had already given, of which is more three related than photon. Know what I mean?

Rybo

[rybot]

Originally Posted by Tina Oh Brother! I guess you are correct too. All I know is that for Protheory to be correct there needs to be a dynamic explained in terms of (+) (-) and (0) with (O) meaning neutral as in neither (+) or (-) but "something else". (O) does not mean NOTHING.

Tina, zero( 0 ) can mean many things. So can + and -. It depends on context.

My recent post were in regards to some of the most basic sub-atomic matter particles of our universe that combine to compose atoms.

Those particles are of two charge types and one zero charge type ergo part of my reasoning for even bringing them into the conversation or elaborating on them, if they were already in the thread previously.

However, even tho there is postive( + ) negative( - ) and neutral( 0 ) charges, that is only true when considering two or more types of elementary fermionic particles i.e. none of following paricles, in of themselves, carrys all three charge, no-chrage aspects:

electrons only come as......( + ) or............( - )
neutrinos only come as...................( 0 )........
baryons only come as........( + ) or...( 0 ).........
quarks only come as..........( + ) or.............( - )

Know what I mean Tina?

This is an even more simplistic particle physics version i.e. that it is only concerning charge, no-charge information and does not get into threeness aspects of various particles.

From this info above and the last message I posted, I would repeat.

+1( something/physical as plus, positive, anti-particle{positron} etc..

0( metaphysical nothing as in zero, or place holder for 10, 100, 1000, etc..

-1( physical something as opposite to all that are +1.


Rybo

[dipayankar]

About neutrinos Rybot. We still haven,t 'caught' them right?? So all these information is just theoritical isnt it???

Originally Posted by rybot Tina, baryons are heavy particles --e.g. proton and neutron-- composed of three quarks and quarks are not composed of any smaller particles, so, these quarks are labled as an *elementary* particle. Ok? The electron is also an *elementary* particle, so, it si not composed of any smaller particles. Ok? There are three kinds of *elementary* particles, in general: 1) quarks have a charge and three quarks combine to make a heavy particle called a *baryon* e.g proton or neutron ) 2) electrons are charged particlces and are very light weight particles and are thte in the catagory of *leptons* 3) neutrinos are neutral( no charge ) leptons are the lightest weight particle in universe and are in *leptons* catagory same as electrons. Neutrinos are no composed of any smalle particles. Ok? Now lets us see what is between the electron( -1) and the positron (+1) electron ) -1 O +1 Ok I see that there is nothing( no particles ) between the charged electron and charged positron ergo that is why we see a zero between those two. So is there a particle between neutrino and the anti-neutrino, no so we have a zero between them o1 0 1o Now let us see if there is particle between charged proton and charged anti-proton -1 0 +1 Now lets see if there is particel between neutron and anti-neutron o1 0 1o So Tina, maybe you correct, there are no particles between the particle and its anti-particle. I see this as meaing that between two physcial and symmetrical particles of universe there is a metphysical zero of nothing ergo thise what we see P1 M P1 where P1= physical something and M = metaphysical nothing. Hope that makes sense to you. Rybo

[rybot]

Originally Posted by dipayankar About neutrinos Rybot. We still haven,t 'caught' them right?? So all these information is just theoritical isnt it???

Hey Dpayanker, long time no hear from.

I think you are mistaken. You are probaly confusing "neutrinos" with quarks i.e. quarks have not been observed, too best of my knowledge.

Neutrinos, have been osberved, tho not as many as wer predicted to be arriving from our sun/Sol.

There are various large instruments( tanks of water Plus? ) etc....deep underground( or whereever ) used to observe them.

I believe if you do a web search you will find this to be true

RYbo