The holy grail

[mkirkpatrick]

thank you, b1rdman

the point is not in seeking to define that which cannot be defined, only to acknowledge its existence.

by putting a name to concept, it can then be acknoledged, commonly practiced in this form of communication.

"existence is structured energy evolving from the concept of life." - the holy grail (this is total control)

Would you say that life then being a concept,is a product of mind?



regards michael.

[gunnar]

thank you, mkirkpatrick

i would say that the concept of life exists as a possibility. the evolution of energy into a mind exists for the conscious experience of it.

[gunnar]

To play advocate a bit...

Without definition, there is no understanding.
Without understanding there can be no knowledge.
Without knowledge there can be no growth.
Without growth life stagnates.
Stagnation leads to death of the system.

without recognition, there is no understanding.

evolution is growth. some parts of evolution can seem stagnate, however as a whole evolution is very much alive and growing.

concept allows a human beings mind to recognize an abstract or generic idea that is generalized from particular instances.

the concept of life: nothing is something it is nothing. one has to ponder this. feel it. recognize it. understand it.

infinity is a perfect example of recognizing a feeling of understanding. ponder it.

freshing up this thread. thank you b1rdman.

[austintorn@aol.com]

[mkirkpatrick]

thank you, mkirkpatrick

i would say that the concept of life exists as a possibility. the evolution of energy into a mind exists for the conscious experience of it.

Thanks gunnar,that is a most interesting way of putting it,energy indeed has had a big
hand in unfolding the evolutionary sequence of events.



regards michael.

[gunnar]

Thanks gunnar,that is a most interesting way of putting it,energy indeed has had a big
hand in unfolding the evolutionary sequence of events.



regards michael.

thank you michael. it is not easy to make this point.

to say that consciousness of human beings conceived (to cause to begin) all life is really funny.

life is in charge. our place as humans is the conscious experience and regognition of it. it is not even nessesary to understand.

that is why there are so many sheep.

[mkirkpatrick]

thank you michael. it is not easy to make this point.

to say that consciousness of human beings conceived (to cause to begin) all life is really funny.

life is in charge. our place as humans is the conscious experience and regognition of it. it is not even nessesary to understand.

that is why there are so many sheep.

We need to be vigilent though,for there may be a wolf in sheeps clothing,hiding among
us!


regads michael.

[gunnar]

thank you austintorn@aol.com for the nice display.

i am leaving in a month or so, and have been visiting this site while still having the oppertunity. becuase, its participants contribute work that leads to understanding.

[gunnar]

We need to be vigilent though,for there may be a wolf in sheeps clothing,hiding among
us!


regads michael.

this is true if you are a sheep herder.

i am not. allowing life be as it was, is, and will be.

[gunnar]

hi,

i enjoyed the chat today. the point i was trying to make is that while definition allows distinction of a specific part of life, a life of specifics does not give the same perspective of life as a whole.

i have been spending time going over this site, and tend to think that its participants are capable of puting together a community detailed toe. and the attempt to be validated by someone with a position of status in society on subject of toe, would be free of clutter and easy to do.

you will find that in doing this, life is specifically impossible to define by human beings, because of its infinate content. the big bang and string theory are only part true, becuase these concepts define a specific part of life. helpful in understanding specifics of energy, they do not specifically deal with origin and therfore lack a complete understanding of life as a whole. they only way to do it is presenting a structure for understanding a feeling of understanding.

the holy grail claims a general structure of life in foundation. it outlines the basic structures of functioning energy from concept allowing individuals to apply what they know to its structure, and in a short time also make the connect with all life giving an understanding of whole. all the while having enough detailed structure that a study of its principals will unlock the deepest understanding.

this is a delecate balance to obtain.

this version of the holy grail is a rough draft, with crappy diagrams, and scattered about. still it has the balance and enough general clarity to sustain it as the thoery of everything.

thank you all,
gunnar