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02-07-2008, 03:05 PM
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Sorry I guess I got on the band wagon a bit soon. I'll check out the advaita and get back to you.

I was brought up very strong in the church by my parents, did caravaning for United Church, led Boy Scouts and Cubs, was president of my Hi-C and had to give it all up when I turned 20 because the church did not address the problems in any real way for me.

Religious zealots are still causing havoc and Bush's zealots are based in the American Bible Belt and the whole thing just leaves me cold.

I'll go google your advaita peeps

I think you and I are the same age, I was born in '43

did you get the fractals? are they a good color for you?

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Melanie

Sorry I guess I got on the band wagon a bit soon. I'll check out the advaita and get back to you.

I was brought up very strong in the church by my parents, did caravaning for United Church, led Boy Scouts and Cubs, was president of my Hi-C and had to give it all up when I turned 20 because the church did not address the problems in any real way for me.

Religious zealots are still causing havoc and Bush's zealots are based in the American Bible Belt and the whole thing just leaves me cold.

I'll go google your advaita peeps

I think you and I are the same age, I was born in '43

did you get the fractals? are they a good color for you?

Rufe
i see the fractals now thanks rufe, very nice indeed,
i'm a bit younger than you, i was born in 57

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02-08-2008, 04:51 AM
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Go to the site http://www.namronsoar.com and hit the 'Feature' button just below the index banner. I want to see if it works for you and others. Click on the fractals and they should enlarge. I checked them twice.

I really appreciate the information about the Hindu philosophy and I'm including it in the bibliography section labelled religion (not up yet). I knew that I was missing something about this but I don't think it can actually be called religion. I still have to put the pieces together about Bhudda, Tao and Hinduism so I'm reading all about it now.

Thanks again for helping me see through my own blindness.

Actually I'm only eleven at heart, I never really grew up

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Go to the site http://www.namronsoar.com and hit the 'Feature' button just below the index banner. I want to see if it works for you and others. Click on the fractals and they should enlarge. I checked them twice.

I really appreciate the information about the Hindu philosophy and I'm including it in the bibliography section labelled religion (not up yet). I knew that I was missing something about this but I don't think it can actually be called religion. I still have to put the pieces together about Bhudda, Tao and Hinduism so I'm reading all about it now.

Thanks again for helping me see through my own blindness.

Actually I'm only eleven at heart, I never really grew up

Rufe
Rufe, thanks for the instructions,
i will follow them and get back to you,

thanks for the link again i will get the hang of navigating around the site eventually, there is a lot of stuff going on there ...

btw,I'm only 12 so that makes me older than you

You know you don't really have to put any pieces together that is the trap
many seekers fall into, you can short cut any self inquiry by being present
by becoming aware of yourself as this eternal presence [AWARENESS]
you are not the body, you are the awareness that animates and illuminates the body, this is eternal,
to quickly understand this drop all stereo type searching and go straight to the heart of the matter,
i think you might find this link quite helpful
scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will find a list of really good articles.

http://www.shiningthroughthemind.net/pages/home.aspx


ps... from the link....
Serious study can be recognized as a 'self organizing trap' - and the more knowledge or information one seemingly gathers, the more one may believe that one has 'got it' or 'not got it' - yet it is all just mind stuff, concepts appearing and the basic factor so many miss is that 'knowledge' is not 'knowing'.

The essence of all knowledge is knowing - knowledge does not lead through some duration of time to 'a state of knowing'. - Knowing is NOT a 'state' and it is timelessly present NOW -


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02-08-2008, 05:34 AM
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Also from the above link.....
Bye the way.....
when i read this myself it resonated to the very core of my being....
it is something i have personally experienced so i would naturally
be drawn to it's message......
YOU HAVE TO HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCING to understand NON-DUALITY
otherwise the conditioned mind cannot or has a hard time grasping it,
if people want to dismiss this writing as just more paint on the screen...
then it is only through ignorance of not knowing who they are..
people want to know the truth but they don't always put in the effort
to self inquire, they mistakenly look for the truth ''out there'' ...
although ''out there'' doesn't really exist... it is just a mental projection.....
all knowledge is within everybody... it is already who they are...ONE with the KNOWING ......there is no separation, and that's where we get confused,
people think that knowledge is there own personal knowledge that they have studied and earned....this of course is such a fallacy.



so here is more from that link.......

All 'knowledge' is transient appearances in 'a clear space of knowing'. - Memory is not knowing - memory appears in the immediate knowing and is usually believed to be 'real'. - Past impressions (samskara) arise of themselves and they appear on the immediate knowing - (because) they cannot appear anywhere else.
Basically everything appears in and on the singular space-like awareness - every speck of what is perceived is an appearance in this knowing presence (THAT you ARE). - That is too subtle to catch and conceptualize, impossible - yet the mind's habit is to grasp at things and call that 'holding' knowledge. - Look into it closely and see if what I am pointing out is true. - It is not possible to see it because it is clear and empty - devoid of qualities - its singular quality is KNOWING.
Relax into that space of knowing and see for yourself.
Nothing appears anywhere other than in THIS immediacy. - This is non-contestable.
Collecting information and knowledge all (seemingly) serves, in a most elaborate manner, to keep the ‘seeker’ bound to conceptual notions. - It is all happening in the realms of belief and none of it can withstand a simple investigation. - Habitual biased points of view (seemingly) protect the belief system - all of it is mechanical mind stuff and it falls apart easily with the investigation.
There is one factor that is totally beyond all conclusions, beyond all knowledge, beyond all arguments and beyond all intellectual negotiations.
It is this: - KNOWING – pure simple knowing is never touched by a 'knower' nor by 'the known'.
The knower and the known are 'of the dualistic mind' - 'divided mind'.
Non Duality is not about 'the mind' and its endless realm of BECOMING. – it is not about anything at all - it IS.....BEING - KNOWING - PRESENCE.
All conceptual notions about spiritual progress, practices and methods are nothing but ripples on the surface of KNOWING.
That knowing is personalized by the dualistic mind and so ignorance itself is seemingly created – a conceptual prison for the ‘person’ – and yet nothing of it has any substance or independence whatsoever. – Those who promote those erroneous concepts in 'their teachings' have no choice because of their own beliefs – they are completely convinced that they are doing 'the right thing' – all of it is nothing but a series of concepts appearing in KNOWING.
All notions, all beliefs, all concepts grand or profane are nothing but ripples on that KNOWING.
Liberation is a fiction.
Deliverance is a fiction.
The one who speaks of such things is ignorance itself.
Those that are sucked in by these teachers of erroneous notions are also fictitious characters, ripples appearing on that KNOWING.
Whether such notions are actively present or passively absent – that KNOWING remains untouched.
There has never been anyone that has ever attained that KNOWING.
All notions of such ‘events’ are fictitious – a story.
The whole manifestation is simply an appearance on that KNOWING PRESENCE.
Such knowledge – knowing that - what one appears to be ‘in mind’ that dissolves into the pure knowing and the apparent individual disappears completely along with ‘time’.
What has been written here can be pulled apart and criticized emphatically by anyone – the personalized agenda of such critics is far too obvious – yet they have no choice. - Everything can be stripped away by the discriminating mind but the bias of that mind remains hidden as if secretly placed at ‘the point’ of cognition.
Such a ‘point’ can be seen yet it is usually not even suspected.
Everything is truly clear and obvious and one can easily SEE and BE what is true simply by resting in ‘your own’ true nature – resting in that open space of KNOWING.


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02-17-2008, 07:07 PM
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Melanie,

My congratulations on your presentation of the nondual perspective.
Do you have a teacher presently or did "the penny drop" on its own?

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My congratulations on your presentation of the nondual perspective.
Do you have a teacher presently or did "the penny drop" on its own?

All the Best,
not2too

Thank you, not2too, for 'your' re-cognition appearing here at this thread of yourself,
the 'me' that the 'you' sees here, is only a re-cognition of the 'you'

It is the ONE self .. instantaneous recognition of itself, 'The Me'
for without the 'me' there is no 'you'

It is the SAME- ONE self experiencing and expressing life AS the 'you's' and the 'me's' and the 'i's'
from unique and different character perspectives of each apparent 'other's' and arising AS 'a phantom' ..

Seemingly appearing as many awarenesses by magic, ... although really there are no separate awarenesses, just ONE

The phantom arises mutually in conjunct with senses sensed, instantly known and imaged as a 'you' and a 'me' or an 'i'

The selfs arising as apparent 'other' selfs .. are the ONE self arising AS those apparent 'other' selfs ..
apparently assuming or making up '' the apparent selfs '' of the apparent 'you's' and the 'me's'

So what 'you' are reading here on this thread is only an-'other' aspect of 'you'
from a unique individual apparent perspective of 'me' really 'you'
an individual expression, experiencing, .. arising AS apparent 'other'
but there is no 'other' .. only AS an appearance 'phantom' arising within ONE awareness.

But you know this already don't you


Hi, not2too, the penny dropped for me only about 3 years ago,
i had an instinctive knowing i'd felt since childhood,
only through a personal persistent sensing of something,
did i feel there was something not quite right with
the way people interpreted their reality, so i went on a relentless quest
to realize that what i already knew, and that was there is only ONE of us here,
and that the apparent mind body organism is a mere phantom,
this ultimate realization came in an instant, completely out of the blue.
Once this realization dawns, it never ever leaves you, i suppose for some people,
it's a bit like finding and fitting pieces of a jig-saw puzzle together, everyone is different in how they come to the realization of this.


I read books and practiced meditation and self inquiry,
i never attended any satang or guru meetings or followed any particular guru,
only through reading much literature including UGK and Nisargadatta and the WAY of the TAO
did i manage to unravel years of false conditionings and beliefs,
eventually returning to my original source, from whence i've never left or have ever been separated from.

Tony Parsons calls it the Open Secret for all to discover.

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02-19-2008, 02:19 PM
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Melanie,

Hopefully, you are collecting your writings for publication in some form as a single piece. They are very powerful and are certainly needed on this ToeQuest.

I offer three Zen sayings...

"Live every day like your hair was on fire."

"If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are."

"JUST THIS!"

Further...
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