[melanie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Can we all please respect the integrity of Nobody's thread here,we do NOT want a repeat
of the last thread DO WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Regards michael.

Last Argument O.K. Honey! We're Here! You can come out now!

[melanie]

About Relativity ...

When you are courting a nice girl, an hour seems like a second.
When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour.
that's relativity. - Uncle Albert Einstein

[melanie]

How far have you come.
Originally, you were clay. From being mineral, you became vegetable. From vegetable, you became animal, and from animal, man. During these periods man did not know where he was going, but he was taken on a long journey nonetheless. And you have to go through a hundred different worlds yet. - Jalaludin Rumi.

The road to success is always under construction.
How many roads must a man walk down before he admits he's lost.

Nothing original under the sun for my son


Mel.

[Drifter]

It refers to seperation as the original sin, Nobody. [could refer to error or miscalcuation, I suppose?]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

So eventhough dismembered in an illusory fashion, it remains one that contains evil? Or are you referring to two distinct places?

[Fluent Piffle]

Another Dimension


The hidden world has its clouds and rain, but of a different kind.
Its sky and sunshine are of a different kind.
This is made apparent only to the refined ones - those not deceived by the seeming completeness of the ordinary world.
- Jalaludin Rumi.



pif.

[N0B0DY]

Oh okay, Drifter, like the physical world being considered the demiurgic. I think some eastern sects view the spiritual and physical as variable forms of the same substance, similar to the equivalence of mass and energy being different forms of the same matter (space).

I wonder if Darwin formulated his Theory of Evolution around the text you cited, pif. I think alot of modern theories are based around very ancient concepts. Quantum Theory might be another one, since a few of its formulators frequented India and China.

It's funny you cited that Einstein quote, Melanie. It brings to mind the Taijitu, which is based on the hottest within the coldest; and the coldest within the hottest. It reveals a great mystery since empirically the center of a cold or hot system is colder or hotter respectively.

I propose that absolute-zero non temperature is the changeless root cause of all relative temperatures.

[N0B0DY]

Speaking of evolution and relativity, I have always found this quite amazing, keeping in mind this is bacteria. I am especially fascinated by the magnetic field reference, since our recent research has been focusing more and more on magnetism as an alternative to electricity.


"In what seems to us the almost unthinkably ancient past, the first half of Earth's four and a half billion year life, when bacteria still had the world to themselves, they not only discovered the advantages of communal living but even evolved sophisticated cityscapes. We can see their huge urban complexes today as slimy films -- in wetlands, in dank closets, in the stomachs of cows, in kitchen drains. Scientists call them biofilms or mucilages, as they look like slimy brown or greenish patches to the unaided eye. Only now can we discover their inner structure and functions with the newest microscopy techniques that magnify them sufficiently without destroying them (for example, confocal scanning laser microscopy).

"Looking closely for the first time at intact bacterial microcities, scientists are amazed to see them packed as tightly as our own urban centers, but with a decidedly futuristic look. Towers of spheres and cone- or mushroom-shaped skyscrapers soar 100 to 200 micrometers upward from a base of dense sticky sugars, other big molecules and water, all collectively produced by the bacterial inhabitants. In these cities, different strains of bacteria with different enzymes help each other exploit food supplies that no one strain can break down alone, and all of them together build the city's infrastructure. The cities are laced with intricate channels connecting the buildings to circulate water, nutrients, enzymes, oxygen and recyclable wastes. Their diverse inhabitants live in different microneighborhoods and glide, motor or swim along roadways and canals. The more food is available, the denser the populations become. Researcher Bill Keevil in England, making videos of these cityscapes, says of one, 'It looks like Manhattan when you fly over it.'

"Microbiologist Bill Costerton in Montana observes: 'All of a sudden, instead of individual organisms, you have communication, cell cooperation, cell specialization, and a basic circulatory system, as in plants or animals.... It's a big intellectual break.' Researchers are coming to see colonial bacteria or even all bacteria now as multicelled creatures despite their separate bodies.

"In addition to rearranging Earth's crust, creating an atmosphere, devising urban lifestyles and creating the first worldwide web, bacteria invented other amazing technologies. Some produced polyester, though biodegradable; others harnessed solar energy as photosynthesis, permitting the making of food when it became scarce; still others invented the electric motor for locomotion -- -a disk with flagellum attached, rotating in a magnetic field, complete with ball bearings, not to mention the atomic pile, probably to raise local temperatures. Seeing these startling parallels to human lifestyles and inventions makes us see evolution fractally. In fact, when I fly over human cities, making them appear small, I see them as cells spread over a substrate, or as bacterial colonies."

http://www.ratical.org/LifeWeb/Articles/capetown.html

[N0B0DY]

This just came to me out of nowhere. For whatever it's worth to whomever:

If we handed a blank white sheet of paper to a scientist in order to sketch out his/her theory, they would mark down a few equations and diagrams to explain it. Yet, since white contains all possible colors, and the paper is blank, all possible equations and diagrams are already on the paper...TOE/TON.

Differentiation is then the basis for relativity, evolution, and consciousness.

[N0B0DY]

The Nature of Motion

"The identification of space and matter poses a puzzle about motion: if the space that a body occupies literally is the matter of the body, then when the body — i.e., the matter — moves, so does the space that it occupies. Thus it doesn't change place, which is should be to say that it doesn't move after all! Descartes resolved this difficulty by taking all motion to be the motion of bodies relative to one another, not a literal change of space."

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-theories/

[N0B0DY]

If we imagine two stationary space ships - A and B - facing each other 1000 kilometers apart, no matter what B's performance capabilities it would never reach A's position before A, for the obvious reason that A's position is velocity-independent to A.

Now, if absolute speed were incorporated into this scenario, and B was "traveling" at such speed (would not really be traveling) it would reach A's position at the same point in time as A, which implies that distance is velocity-dependent.

Any velocity other than absolute results in an extension/dimension of time which translates into an extension/dimension of space, and if matter is nothing more than cumulative time-dependent space frames - fractal-type depth perception - we can deduce from this that without literal motion, the literalist view is hitherto moot (debatable).