[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by Felix Schrodinger

Interesting link and (unlike most of Stanford) this one's in English. Even then this page, just like SH's 'Brief History of Time', says nothing about the nature of time itself. One is drawn to the conclusion that there are many who want to talk around the subject (including Michio Kaku) but no-one who wants to venture a hard theory for the nature of time.

Nobody wants to because it is highly illusive and elusive, but nevertheless my theory is based solely on time...quantitative duration of consciousness.

Then, somewhat simply, instead of thinking in terms of the nature of time we can think in terms of nature as time; founded on the consciousness of time, and not space. If we were to be unconscious, there could be no sense of duration, and the chain of unconsciousness-subconsciousness-consciousness I mentioned earlier posits subconsciousness as the basis for extending duration, where concepts of eternity are formed; and the same applies to consciously-observed space, and extensions of which form concepts of infinity. I should say here that even though some interpret eternity and infinity as being equivalent to absolute time and space, the latter contextually implies the timeless void instead of the concept of time enduring and space extending without end.

Drifter mentioned that time is illusory and that there is only "NOW," but the absolute immediacy of this now reduces relative durations to zero; it is not timeful, but, again, timeless. So the concept of now, just like the concept of one holistic spatial universe, can be realized as merely a deduction based on incremental times of the past being interpreted and categorized as a present timeframe. A timeframe which is subconsciously shared as part of the encoding in the DNA - time is of the essence of everything. So in a sense it is like a backward correlate of mental notes interpreted/remembered as durations, similar to how the brain manipulates spatial images to make sense of the world. The brain itself being merely the imperfectly-ordered temporal construct of random chaos that persists to exist according to the decay rates strictly set by conscious laws without which there can be no such laws of nature.

This would bring us to:

Originally Posted by Felix Schrodinger

If you are saying that things only exist because of consciousness then I disagree. They exist anyway and our consciousness allows us to experience them.

Of course we can both say either way, they exist or not, but basing our interpretations first on empirical and theoretical science before extending them philosophically can shed light on exactly why things are the way they are.

The power of the experiential means of consciousness is greatly underestimated, as evidenced in experimental research done on the effects of hallucinagenics whereby the sensory world is altered experientially; and I predict this is related to cryogenics and the fractional Quantum Hall Effect which reconfigures the preset chemical configurations integral to the DNA, to produce the same sensorially-based realities but unobservable to the average individual. My deductions for relating these phenomena to low-temperature is based on my atomic structure which consists of high-energy-radiation interactions that form positive and negative charges - mass - the energy of which is transfered as heat, but the temperatures of "invariant" mass are inversely-proportionate to the heat produced simply through the continual annihilation events of the charges - needless to say, extremely colder than the requisite temperatures. You might think of it comparable to the Visible-light Spectrum extended proportionately on either side, with the sum total of the spectrum equaling absolute zero...beyond the infinitely extended quanta of the subconsciousness, from which the finite quanta of the consciousness is extracted.

Ultimately, I should be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to any scientist or philosopher, that existence is not there from time past extending to a future time; and with the present only being possible as a consciously-extended dimension or property, is not there at all.

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." (Letter from Einstein to the family of his lifelong friend Michele Besso, after learning of his death, March 1955)

*Special thanks to you, Felix, for trying to keep my thread on topic.

[N0B0DY]

I think when you said many folks run around time without delving into the matter, it was accurate. I'm not sure about Stanford lacking English articles, though, as over the years many have been written.

At any rate, this one relates to the equivalence of the variable timeframes I mentioned:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-backwards

[not2too]

I'm arriving at the party a little late, so forgive me for offering a model that has probably been discussed on ToeQuest before...

What if one looked at each "moment" in "time"...each "now"...as a discrete holographic frame...like a frame in a reel of motion picture film, which the universe "plays", for and as consciousness, and which thereby becomes a holomovement? The entire reel exists NOW. Perceptions of motion and the passage of time are illusions, as they are in a movie theater. How does this way of looking at things work or not in the present context?

Best,
not2too

[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by not2too

I'm arriving at the party a little late, so forgive me for offering a model that has probably been discussed on ToeQuest before...

What if one looked at each "moment" in "time"...each "now"...as a discrete holographic frame...like a frame in a reel of motion picture film, which the universe "plays", for and as consciousness, and which thereby becomes a holomovement? The entire reel exists NOW. Perceptions of motion and the passage of time are illusions, as they are in a movie theater. How does this way of looking at things work or not in the present context?

It's never too late to join this party, not2too. Just don't come 2too drunk.

I think your way works fine, imo, as long as the present context is relative. The movie analogy consists of instances that extend for x amount of time while playing, and the stillness of each frame is of an even longer duration when the movie is paused. If the context is absolute, we have to speed up the reel so that it plays so fast there is no duration at all for any of the frames.

The way I look at it has been called "ass-backwards," but it's more of an as-backwards approach to reducing absolute time beyond even imperceptible increments. Newton had a somewhat simple absolute spacetime theory, but was rejected because his particles were irreducible and considered separate from space. Whereas Einstein's theories are so complex, people have joked that his hair used to be straight before he started physics.

We can keep it simple and extract any quantity of mass, energy, space, strings, spheres, mobius strips, etc. from the fullness of an absolute-velocity constant (always zero). The only difference I propose as opposed to Newton is that particles, waves, strings are density-dependent and that density is time-dependent; and the time is created by a reduction of the absolute constant. It's like moving your hand through water slowly offers little resistance, but when moved quickly through or slapped against the water there is much more resistance. This resistance is proportionate to the amount of force applied, and if you're familiar with f = ma, force is proportionate to acceleration times the mass, and the mass in turn is equivalent to the cumulative resistance of lesser forces.

The relative holomovement you offer comes in when Einstein's relativity is incorporated to allow for an infinite number of velocities. Because two or more reference frames are required, it creates a seeming paradox, but the absolute constant by default has two extreme perspectives repeatedly elaborated throughout this thread. In summary, extending the implications of the inverse proportions established in science to the absolute level, the infinitely-expansive and the infinitely-contractive meet at the absolute zero point; one perspective is the point of absolute expansion, and the other is the point of absolute contraction. Needless to say, this holographic universe is subconscious chaos, which orders itself according to a finite number of variable amplitudes resulting from random interactions, so we can experience dense objects through various media.

To explain how the motion is observed if the absolute medium is of absolute density, we have to think in terms of the above motion picture whereby massive objects are recreated incrementally according to the preset internal velocities of the object proportionate to the velocity of the medium. In the case on Earth, the velocity is much lower than that of an electron, so it is easy to move around without much conscious effort.

[not2too]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

...In summary, extending the implications of the inverse proportions established in science to the absolute level, the infinitely-expansive and the infinitely-contractive meet at the absolute zero point; one perspective is the point of absolute expansion, and the other is the point of absolute contraction. Needless to say, this holographic universe is subconscious chaos, which orders itself according to a finite number of variable amplitudes resulting from random interactions, so we can experience dense objects through various media.

To explain how the motion is observed if the absolute medium is of absolute density, we have to think in terms of the above motion picture whereby massive objects are recreated incrementally according to the preset internal velocities of the object proportionate to the velocity of the medium. In the case on Earth, the velocity is much lower than that of an electron, so it is easy to move around without much conscious effort.

Thanks for the detailed expansion of the model. In your view is the motion picture in question improvisational or fully scripted?

Best,
not2too

[N0B0DY]

No problemo, not2too, just a quick quid pro nihilo pro bono.

I would say fully scripted, but thought to be improvisational. I think the problem is folks don't know what they want and choose to play the part of the terminally ill. So the film now playing is a bad improv of a great masterpiece.

[not2too]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

No problemo, not2too, just a quick quid pro nihilo pro bono.

I would say fully scripted, but thought to be improvisational. I think the problem is folks don't know what they want and choose to play the part of the terminally ill. So the film now playing is a bad improv of a great masterpiece.

Great answer NOBODY! Full of hidden symmetry and the humor of a master...

All the Best,
not2too

[melanie]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Time sure does fly when we're having fun!

NOBODY: It's never too late to join this party, not2too. Just don't come 2too drunk.

Originally Posted by not2too I'm arriving at the party a little late

Welcome to the party not2too



Better late than never.

[not2too]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

The power of the experiential means of consciousness is greatly underestimated, as evidenced in experimental research done on the effects of hallucinagenics whereby the sensory world is altered experientially; and I predict this is related to cryogenics and the fractional Quantum Hall Effect which reconfigures the preset chemical configurations integral to the DNA, to produce the same sensorially-based realities but unobservable to the average individual. My deductions for relating these phenomena to low-temperature is based on my atomic structure which consists of high-energy-radiation interactions that form positive and negative charges - mass - the energy of which is transfered as heat, but the temperatures of "invariant" mass are inversely-proportionate to the heat produced simply through the continual annihilation events of the charges - needless to say, extremely colder than the requisite temperatures. You might think of it comparable to the Visible-light Spectrum extended proportionately on either side, with the sum total of the spectrum equaling absolute zero...beyond the infinitely extended quanta of the subconsciousness, from which the finite quanta of the consciousness is extracted.

So, in your view, hallucinogens allow perception of parts of reality that are actually there but not perceivable by the "average individual" whose awareness has not been extended by the hallucinogen?

Best,
not2too

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

The power of the experiential means of consciousness is greatly underestimated, as evidenced in experimental research done on the effects of hallucinagenics whereby the sensory world is altered experientially; and I predict this is related to cryogenics and the fractional Quantum Hall Effect which reconfigures the preset chemical configurations integral to the DNA, to produce the same sensorially-based realities but unobservable to the average individual. My deductions for relating these phenomena to low-temperature is based on my atomic structure which consists of high-energy-radiation interactions that form positive and negative charges - mass - the energy of which is transfered as heat, but the temperatures of "invariant" mass are inversely-proportionate to the heat produced simply through the continual annihilation events of the charges - needless to say, extremely colder than the requisite temperatures. You might think of it comparable to the Visible-light Spectrum extended proportionately on either side, with the sum total of the spectrum equaling absolute zero...beyond the infinitely extended quanta of the subconsciousness, from which the finite quanta of the consciousness is extracted..

Hi NB:
My belief on this is that most of our plant derived hallucinogens that exist today are descendants of the original, (the tree of knowledge) , This idea is also backed by the evidence that there are receptors that exist within our body for the absorption of these substances, yet there is no comparative substance produced within the body. These receptors were thought to be remnants of a system that no longer exists within the body. We know better though don’t we. These are the only receptors that do not have a hormone that is associated with them. Isn’t it strange how people tend to ignore the facts that they do not want to see.

I think that there is a veil or shield around the human, that is to prevent the action that we might call alternate or extra senses. The intake of the tree of knowledge removes or reduces this veil or shield, allowing these alternate and extra senses to function. Allowing the divine interactions.

Maybe it is because of the laws pertaining to the control of substance that the film in the reality projector that is now playing, is a bad improv of a great masterpiece. Thank you NB. I have never heard a better description of our predicament. Truly A great masterpiece is being played but is only understood as a B movie.
John