[N0B0DY]

B quiet you master of silence! lol That was a great way to put it, John.

There is alot of research done related to the effects of both drugs and meditation, and alot of people fear it and /or are drawn into shams that promise new-and-improved realities, at often a great cost to health and wallets. My way, of no way, can't be taught and that's why I look for various expressions to at least depict the crux of the issues. When we completely let go of ourselves and let "nature" take its course, the magic starts to happen (differently) to each individual. In short, in effect you no longer partake in the B movie, but are cast in the the masterpiece with no recollection of who you were. Why so many people think an internal fingerprint can be researched, studied and learned is beyond me, but it makes for a good B movie I guess. Whereas the masterpiece can be compared to the Tree of Life without learning. We can only control the substance by controlling the mind, and that is impossible if we can't control its subconscious fluctuations.

To respond properly to your question, not2too, we can think of it in terms of where "there" is. Infinitesimal events and virtual particles are said to be there when not observed, but according to an absolute theory, the fullness of "there" is the equivalent of everywhere which in turn is the identical state as nowhere. It's like a blank white sheet of absolute solidity that allows for an infinite number of abstractive interactions to occur as time, but I don't classify any of them - even the perceptible events - as real because the equation of all of the positive and negative interactions is net zero. As Alan Guth once said, paraphrased, "The total of all negative gravity and positive mass equals zero."

[not2too]

When something has happened,
Do not talk about it.
it is hard to collect spilled water.
ANONYMOUS


Best,
not 2too

[N0B0DY]

Some people have commented that my theory is going nowhere, which is true, but it is going nowhere fast. So fast that everything is included in it simultaneously.

Just an aside regarding your quote, not2too, do you equate thoughts and things?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Some people have commented that my theory is going nowhere, which is true, but it is going nowhere fast. So fast that everything is included in it simultaneously.

Just an aside regarding your quote, not2too, do you equate thoughts and things?

Another small aside Nobody,your theory is most excellent,and one of the best and deepest probes into IS-nessless that I have ever read in the past 35 years and I have
read many.

Forgive a little childlike trumpet blowing,I will also add that your theory is nearly as good
as mine on consciousness!!!!!!!!!!!


In the spirit of friendship-regards michael.

[not2too]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Just an aside regarding your quote, not2too, do you equate thoughts and things?

"thoughts" is a word. "things" is also a word. They are also both concepts, so I equate them, yes.

On the other hand, biting into an orange is not equal to thinking about biting into an orange or trying to describe the taste of on orange.

Which brings to mind a famous Zen story about a formal debate between the Tibetan Lama Kalu Rinpoche and the Zen Master Seung Sahn. Master Seung Sahn was fond of asking his students a seemingly innocuous question and then pouncing unmercifully on whatever answer they gave.

The debate began with Master Seung Sahn pulling an orange out of his robe, holding it up to Lama Rinpoche, and asking him: “What is this? What is this?” And then holding the orange directly under the Lama’s nose: “What’s this?”

At which point Lama Rinpoche replied (through his translator): “What’s the matter with this fellow, don’t they have oranges where he comes from?”

The debate ended there.

Best
not2too

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

There is alot of research done related to the effects of both drugs and meditation, and alot of people fear it and /or are drawn into shams that promise new-and-improved realities, at often a great cost to health and wallets. My way, of no way, can't be taught

Hello Nobody:
You are very right, control is never the way. It is obvious, why else were we given nothing except free will. This is all that we come into this world with.
WE come naked with nothing but free will. Freedom must then be a key to make the best of this life we are given. We do not even need to agree how we got here or who an what we are. Just that it is the freedom to choose our life’s ways that is the right way to live.

Life comes in waves, like from a great ocean. Our consciousness rides on these waves like a surfboard. Occasionally we get to ride a big one and even hang 5 while we scream at the loudest we can because of our elation and sensation of being in harmony with this wave of life. If any try to control this wave you will find yourself with not but much pain and a mouthful of beach sand. We can learn to feel these waves as they approach. When they do, be sure you are ready to let go and ride the wave that is coming your way.
Do not try to direct the flow but go with it and ride it, get out there and hang five, you never know when it is the last wave you will get. Ride them, all like it is the last. When I feel one coming I will let you know, You might do the same for me friend.
John

[melanie]

Originally Posted by not2too

When something has happened,
Do not talk about it.
it is hard to collect spilled water.
ANONYMOUS


Best,
not 2too

I like that quote very much .... it best describes the dissolving of the self back into the self ...a good quote, thanks not2too.

Meanwhile here is another Quote >>

"The world is given to me only once,

not one existing and one perceived.

Subject and object are only one.

The barrier between them

cannot be said to have broken down

as a result of recent experience

in the physical sciences,

for this barrier does not exist. ..."

- Erwin Schrodinger, Quantum Physicist



This is good science,a science of a different kind
as stated,it cannot be proven t-his theory,
but just try to disprove it.

love mel.

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by melanie

"The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. Subject and object are only one. The barrier between them cannot be said to have broken down as a result of recent experience in the physical sciences, for this barrier does not exist. ..."

Erwin Schrodinger, Quantum Physicist

I remember it well
Felix

[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by not2too

"thoughts" is a word. "things" is also a word. They are also both concepts, so I equate them, yes.

On the other hand, biting into an orange is not equal to thinking about biting into an orange or trying to describe the taste of on orange.

Which brings to mind a famous Zen story about a formal debate between the Tibetan Lama Kalu Rinpoche and the Zen Master Seung Sahn. Master Seung Sahn was fond of asking his students a seemingly innocuous question and then pouncing unmercifully on whatever answer they gave.

The debate began with Master Seung Sahn pulling an orange out of his robe, holding it up to Lama Rinpoche, and asking him: “What is this? What is this?” And then holding the orange directly under the Lama’s nose: “What’s this?”

At which point Lama Rinpoche replied (through his translator): “What’s the matter with this fellow, don’t they have oranges where he comes from?”

The debate ended there.

I agree with you there, but as cited in Melanie's message the process by which sensory perception is realized (conceived of) is encoded in the DNA as a subconscious functioning based on any and all possible experiences that are consciously-extracted temporally. I think it all fits together quite well from the consciousness chain I mentioned earlier because we are directly connecting the physical and mental - as in the eastern concept of mind-body unification - as time.

If you recall, the shared subconsciousness is based on extending time to infinite proportions and in doing so it serves as the basis for the above experiences to be recalled as past experiences that are categorized as new experiences in the present. If you've ever smelled an odor from simply thinking of it, or tasted, or felt something from thought alone, you might correlate this phenomenon to experiential memory triggers; and I propose that any "present" experience is processed through the exact same triggers.

In a sense, the shared subconsciousness is an extension that is synonymous to an objective reality. Yet consciousness is infinitely- and eternally-separated from its control over senses of reality; and the only way to transcend the control of subconsciousness is to transcend infinity/eternity, both of which are thought unable to be transcended. This is where the absolute gateway - unconsciousness - is necessary as the means to acquire control over subconsciousness in order to operate as a photosynthetic noumenon.

These words can be just words or can be real to us, where we can ask how many times have we been "here before" and how long would it take to be born exactly the way we were born in this life? How long would it take and what conditions are required to be born slightly different or drastically different, and what exactly would prevent it from occurring?

[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium

Hello Nobody:
You are very right, control is never the way. It is obvious, why else were we given nothing except free will. This is all that we come into this world with. WE come naked with nothing but free will. Freedom must then be a key to make the best of this life we are given. We do not even need to agree how we got here or who an what we are. Just that it is the freedom to choose our life’s ways that is the right way to live.

Life comes in waves, like from a great ocean. Our consciousness rides on these waves like a surfboard. Occasionally we get to ride a big one and even hang 5 while we scream at the loudest we can because of our elation and sensation of being in harmony with this wave of life. If any try to control this wave you will find yourself with not but much pain and a mouthful of beach sand. We can learn to feel these waves as they approach. When they do, be sure you are ready to let go and ride the wave that is coming your way.

Do not try to direct the flow but go with it and ride it, get out there and hang five, you never know when it is the last wave you will get. Ride them, all like it is the last. When I feel one coming I will let you know, You might do the same for me friend.

I think free will is circumstantial, John. The average individual may think that there is free will, but there are many folks who are hard-pressed to choose circumstances other than those they are under. Like you said, we have to know how to ride the wave to prevent mishap, but that only applies if we are separate from the wave and sand.

Perhaps then, people have chosen to separate themselves for selfish reasons they are unaware of. If the whole earth were a mere cell of your body, its waves and sand would have a negligible effect on you. Then maybe people aren't really what they make themselves out to be.