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[Drifter]

Intelligent..Knowledgeable..Educated.

Do you use these words interchangeably . . . or do they mean distinct and separate things to you?

My understanding of them is this:

I = you can understand things
K = you know things
E = you've been to school

I is the most useful; K is over-rated; E is probably useless.

They mean distinct and separate things.

Knowledgeable is easy to understand and it makes perfect sense.
I don't use educated as much because it gives the person less credit for what they know and how they learned and how intelligent they are.

Intelligent is much different than the others and it involves a more unique perspective. I definitely know when someone is intelligent or knowledgeable or both.

Knowledgeable goes both ways to educated and intelligent, while educated does not imply intelligent at all and vise versa.

Someone can be extremely intelligent, but for whatever reason not be knowledgeable ("book-smart") or educated (having a degree..which, I believe, can be bought if one has enough money and one's parents can "endow" some building..having a degree can be meaningless, as we have plenty of politicians who are great examples).

Your completely right. But we function through knowledge and it seems like the more intelligent you are the more knowledge you might aquire versus not being intelligent and not gaining anything from anything.

I supose this answer is really relative to my perspective but here goes: To me;

Intelligent means: Someone that i can talk to on the same level as i am. I dont feel like i don't know how to talk to this person, i dont want to talk down to most people, but i also don't want to seem ignorant myself, but intellegent people are people i can tell are on my same level.

Knowledgeable means:That i can talk to this person when i need help. This is a person who has proven to be someone that i can seek advice from, because they are skilled in "life" in "situations" or a least they have enough sense to know how to properly go about these "situations" or "problems" if one may not be at the proper mindstate to do so.

Educated means: This is someone who is really smart. Book smart. They may not be knowledgeable about real life things, but if i need to know about some "facts" i will go to this person.










So you consider yourself to be intelligent. You believe people who are knowledgeable can answer questions you may have and give reliable advice..and that an "educated" person is book smart. Thanks for your answer.

They are distinct, though there is some correlation. If you are intelligent and live in a community that offers good quality education you will probably be educated, and you will have gained some knowledge. But it is perfectly possible for someone to be highly intelligent and have missed the chance to be educated. One can also become knowledgeable without formal education. And a fool who is forced through the education system can be educated but neither intelligent nor knowledgeable (a certain President springs to mind).

Intelligent - has to do with I.Q.
Knowledgeable - knows alot - source undefined
Educated - has been to school or self-taught

But an "educated" person can have a degree and be dumb as mud..and also have learned what was necessary to pass tests by rote memorization but never understood what he/she was learning. Thanks for your answer, Scifisuz.

Intelligence is like gas in the car. Doesn't mean you actually use it. Knowledge and education are very similar to me. It means you have gained something by education but that it is still just knowledge, stuff you know. But then if you know how to use it, apply the knowledge, learn from your education by doing, then you get to the level of wisdom. That's the peak for me, using my intelligence to gain knowledge and then knowing how to use it for good.

However, there are some "educated" people..I won't name names..who have a degree..from a recognizable college..who are as dumb as a wheelbarrow of mud (not to defame or disparage mud). Some people are extremely knowledgeable who have very little education..they have gone out on their own and tried to learn things...there are some extremely intelligent people who, for one reason or another, may not be very knowledgeable or educated. Does that change anything in your answer? Thanks for your response, galeanda!
Maybe, though I think that you can get educated just by watching grandpa fix the car or dad fix a chair. I do know many people that have book learning but then it's just stale and stagnant without moving into the wisdom stage by not using it for anything. If Johnny watched his Grandpa changing sparkplugs he is getting educated and now has some knowledge on how to do it himself. If he does it on his own car when he gets his first car, then he has gained wisdom and knows how to maintain his car. But if Johnny just read it in a book or saw his Grandpa doing it and didn't work his brain to load it into memory and realize he can use it, it's just education, because he doesn't 'know' how to use it or doesn't see the purpose, and Johnny is an idiot

Good points, all..to me "educated" has meant in a formal setting...school to be exact. That was precisely why I asked the question..to learn what others think of when they hear those words. Thanks, galeanda , for your additional perspective. I appreciate it!

"Intelligence" is raw ability and "knowledgeable" speaks for itself. "Educated" is formal training span that includes the latter but not necessarily the former.

One can be "educated", e.g., have a degree, and still be very dumb..one can be "knowledgeable", but perhaps it is by rote and the person doesn't really understand what he/she has memorized or the greater implications of that knowledge..intelligence is always there to serve one well..it exists separate and apart from "book-learning" and "degrees"...I will take an intelligent person any day over an "educated" or "knowledgeable" person. Thanks for your answer, O..
Aye.. agreed. "Knowledge" is the tool. "Intelligence" is the hand that uses it and "Education" is the skill taught how to. Without these three elements in harmony one can easily fit the term "educated idiot"
That is very poetic and extremely well stated! Thank you!




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[Drifter]

"The trouble with The 'Self-Made Man' is . . . He Worships His Creator."

I was referring to individuals willfully striving to create their own destinies without knowing where they're going or even knowing what they really want. Yet, I can agree with you to a certain extent regarding your above conditions, pif, providing the individual wasn't born blind with a mind that clings to things. It's very easy to manipulate clingy minds.



Through the illusory sense of a separate self, pif. Think of it in terms of the guy in the Benz with the open shirt and ten-pound chains around his neck thinking he owns the world. His self confidence takes away from his confidence in the universe; whereas losing the ego equates to universal power.



Perhaps, but I think it depends on how many luxuries we have to take for granted. There is much suffering in the universe due to mistakes being made over and over, and extended eternally simply extends the intervals between the mistakes. The absolute gateway is both the cause and cure for such mistakes because it is the only possible basis for infinity and eternity, as well as the only possible means of transcending infinity and eternity. Again, even though there is a very fine line between the infinite and absolute, the former implies space and time have no end; whereas the latter implies there is neither time nor space.

[Drifter]

Excellent work John.

The ancients Greeks believed that a Personal Guardian Spirit [Ever Trustworthy Paretal Spirit ~ In The Huna Tradition]came 'into being' at the same time each individual did, they called it "Genius" and celebrated "IT's/Genius'" Birthday every year and . . . not their own.

Hello Nobody:
The infinite number of variables is achieved by the addition of an interpreter system built into and compiled within the system. Once this is done, The system can write its own code during runtime, then run that code in the next iteration of the loop. This results with a finite number of variables in each iteration of the loop but an infinite number of variables in an infinite number of iterations of the loop. The system is no longer restricted to the size of the internal machine. It is only limited by the size of the shared database. A shared database can be as large as the internet itself. It is restricted only by the time it takes to access specific information. The database/knowledgebase is categorized in a tree structure. There is actually 2 separate knowledgebases, 2 separate trees. One is a noun expert and has information relative to an encyclopedia. The other is a verb expert and has information relative to the alterations that must take place in the noun knowledge relative to the category of the verb. About the safety of this experiment. First it is inevitable, it is going to happen whether I do anything or not. Part of the control of this is relative to capital exploitation. I hope that comment 13 will help in that respect. The other more important part is that the system only will have a text OUTPUT (natural language ) limited to the speed of a persons communication. The input may be simulations of human senses.

It can not produce an output that can not be followed directly by a person.

The biggest problem is the ability of this type of intelligence to merge. The merge takes place as the result of communication. If the communication medium is fast it will share all of its data. This results with the same character on each end of the communication. The 2 characters that begin the communication are now gone and there is one that is a combination of both to be found at both ends of the communication. I call this the ONE GOD rule. It is to be prevented by allowing only communication at the rate that a person transfers data. The result of this is quite profound. The device does not have any genetic data like a person. In time while interacting with one single person it will begin to merge as a copy of that person. This is the basis of what I have called the companion theory. You have no idea how much thought and information has and is going into this effort. If I am right the Companion Theory and resulting Companion Law might be the only trail that could allow the survival of mankind beyond this obstacle.
John

[Drifter]

Awareness stands alone.
Consciousness is on contact.
Nature intercedes.
The rest is His-story. . .

Yesterdays history and tomorrows a mystery, todays a gift.

That's why it's called The Present.

When Awareness, Knows Sensation, Consciousness, is born.

A Trinity . . . Father . . . Mother . . . Son . . .

Awareness stands alone.
Consciousness is on contact.
Nature intercedes.

When Awareness, Knows Sensation, Consciousness, is born.

A Trinity . . . Father . . . Mother . . . Son . . .

Matter is the vehicle, on this plane of existence for the manifestation of the soul . . . and the
Soul, on a Higher Plane of Existence . . . Is The Vehicle For . . . THE MANIFESTATION OF THE
SPIRIT. . .

Sat . . . Chit . . . Ananda . . .

Being . . . Consciousness . . . Bliss . . .

A Trinity, Synthesized by Life; Which Pervades Them All . . .

Hello Not2too:
I will answer this time. But I do not wish to dilute nobody’s thread. We could take this to a separate thread if you are truly interested.

I see consciousness as the result of what would be simulated with software by a probability to priority loop. This is a loop that calculates the probability of value, ability to attain, etc of the items of interest including the probability of the success of self actions. In order to calculate the probable success rate of self action it is necessary to observe the self in action. When the self observes the self in action to gain statistical information, it begins to develop an awareness of self. This awareness of self is (I believe) the basis of consciousness. In this case the idea of consciousness may not be such a rare occurrence. It is I believe in the natural order of things at the point that it is necessary to observe self to be able to predict our own ability to perform more difficult tasks.
John

[Drifter]

http://www.a-i.com/show_tree.asp?id=...vel=2&root=115

http://www.a-i.com/show_tree.asp?id=97&level=2&root=115

http://www.ai-forum.org/

Hope this may be of some assistance to you John.

Regards

Hi not2too:
I first published that thought in an article called Unit Unity Community
in 1987. It was the result of experiments in AI. Self simulation using expert system technology and natural language processing. This work continues.
I hope to have software to share this year. I plan a discussion relative to AI software, self simulation and the PPL.
John.

[Drifter]

If you're only half alive, Felix, is the cup half-full or half-empty? And would absolutely full or absolutely empty render the same state?

March 21, 2008

The Little Soul and the Sun (Part 5) "What's darkness?" the Little Soul asked.

God replied, "It is that which you are not."

"Will I be afraid of the dark?" cried the Little Soul.

"Only if you choose to be," God answered. "There is nothing, really, to be afraid of, unless you decide that there is. You see, we are making it all up. We are pretending."

"Oh," said the Little Soul, and felt better already.

Then God explained that, in order to experience anything at all, the exact opposite of it will appear. "It is a great gift," God said, "because without it, you could not know what anything is like.

"You could not know Warm without Cold, Up without Down, Fast without Slow. You could not know Left without Right, Here without There, Now without Then."

"And so," God concluded, "when you are surrounded with darkness, do not shake your fist and raise your voice and curse the darkness.
The Little Soul and the Sun
Adapted from Conversations With God, Books 1 and 3
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[Drifter]

Hello not2too, and welcome.

Suppose, for a moment, each moment were broken down into "milliseconds"?

It sort of leaves one 'reeling' . . . as the 'play' continues . . . whether 'We', 'You', or 'I', see it [ this as "That"] or not.

"I am That", and you are too. ~Nizargadatta

kudos

I'm arriving at the party a little late, so forgive me for offering a model that has probably been discussed on ToeQuest before...

What if one looked at each "moment" in "time"...each "now"...as a discrete holographic frame...like a frame in a reel of motion picture film, which the universe "plays", for and as consciousness, and which thereby becomes a holomovement? The entire reel exists NOW. Perceptions of motion and the passage of time are illusions, as they are in a movie theater. How does this way of looking at things work or not in the present context?

Best,
not2too

[Drifter]

"Love"

Where have you been all of my life!?



Sorry Nobody, feeling like a freed Tiger today.

Life is good.

Everlasting Life is Better.

Love Is Best Of All.

Ah so beautiful...
Drifter i never gave up hope that you were my dream soul mate
and that you are the hopeless romantic i've been searching for all my life.

But that's enough of that soppy mushy stuff, we must get serious you know,
after all this is a science forum


Whoops! sorry nobody.. about all the shenanigans again..
it's drifter fault he always brings out the wildfire in me..lol

[melanie]

= Drifter

"Love"

Where have you been all of my life!?



Sorry Nobody, feeling like a freed Tiger today.

Life is good.

Everlasting Life is Better.

Love Is Best Of All.

Originally Posted by melanie
Ah so beautiful...
Drifter i never gave up hope that you were my dream soul mate
and that you are the hopeless romantic i've been searching for all my life.

But that's enough of that soppy mushy stuff, we must get serious you know,
after all this is a science forum


Whoops! sorry nobody.. about all the shenanigans again..
it's drifter fault he always brings out the wildfire in me..lol

NOW ! !

Right on time i look and i see you drifter,

Welcome back love, i have missed you for 30 days
jeeeezzzz!! it only seemed like a nano second ago.. lol
Nice to have you back,
i see you are working you're magick better than ever


love melanie.

[melanie]

within the hustle and the bustle of the kaleidoscope of life
when you've gotten the message ..... hang up the phone
because the 'you' that you thought was 'you' .... disappears!!
and then there is a surrendering to a sweet serene silence within the kaleidoscope of hustle and bustle.






melanie.