[Fluent Piffle]

Like the theoretical physicist, the artist finds order in apparent chaos.

No, people create what they think is 'order'. This is because they too are motions of Space, in a state of 'ever-becoming'. 'Creation' is always happening, and when Humans become 'consciously' receptive to this motion, they become 'artists', effectively 'tapping in' to the 'now' motion of what exists (which is also themselves, explaining 'why' they are able to 'tap-in' at all). The earliest known cases of 'art' are the rock-paintings left by our ancestors over 20 000 years ago. This may be an indication of when 'consciousness' evolved to the 'modern human' stage.

Would you say that space and time are inseparable, and what is space made of exactly that it can explain emergence?

ALL things are 'Space', though we are currently indoctrinated into believing that 'Space' is some kind of 'separate medium' for 'other things' to exist in. Space is in a state of constant motion because it is basically an energy state. It 'vibrates', because that is simply what 'existence' means. 'Time' is a word we use to describe the relative motions of what exists. It is not 'something else' that exists 'separately'. Another more recent word is 'evolution', which is also motion of Space, but on a much 'grander' scale (because we are evolving to think in 'grander' terms).

'Space' is the obvious choice of description, because it is the one true and observable connector of all other 'things'.

'Emergence' is explained above; The vibrating energy of what exists (Space), constantly re-shuffles itself, to produce the 'observable' that we currently measure, and indeed, are. Basically, if it moves, it exists, and if it exists, it moves.



pif.

[N0B0DY]

In order for space to move, it would have to move through itself. Which, if we conceptualize an infinite number of densities of space, it could.

Yet, when we realize that what is required for space to move through itself isn't really "there," then there can be no such motion for space and therefore no such literal existential things.

Simply, imo, the absolute universe doesn't have to move anywhere to reach anywhere because it is logically already there. Then our conception and perception of space must therefore be a conscious extension based on time, since the universe by default shrinks space/distance to zero everywhere.

[Drifter]

at One= unity, unicity, @ one-ness, one with vertical thinking as opposed to linear.

Timeless=timeless-ness without time, fliping the duality coin keeps one and other than, enmeshed in duality. Non-duality and duality are the two sides of 'existence'. Seen an unseen. What is seen can be described, what is not cannot. All else (words)is/are add-ons from the Primal point. Word's desegrate (desegregate/seperate) and seperation is the Original sin...
The ancients (Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic) knew this(Gnosis), it has been lost in translation.

"You will surely not die," the serpent said to the woman[interpreted/known as the/a wayward, or fickle, conscience]. " For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened [to the knowledge of duality, e.g. good and evil] and you will be like God knowing good and evil." ~Gen. 3:4-5

"The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination [imagination] of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time." ~Genesis 6:15

For out of the heart come evil thoughts [imaginations], murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testamony, slander." ~Matthew 15:19

Wording things up brings the immaculate into the profane, changes envision into visions and visions into images and those imagination(s)~image(s)~into discussion(s) in the attempt to share such revelations.

"You surely will not die, you

Originally Posted by N0B0DY If this is true, and I believe it is, how can this reality be classified as "one" when one implies an ending? We can imagine a point on a simple circle moving around its circumference without end, but the circle itself, if to be called "one circle," must have a boundary in order to make sense of what is observed. Without such finitude, the one without boundaries would be more-accurately classified as none imo. The same applies to the timeless and eternity, which some folks classified synonymously, which the former is without time (boundary) and the latter with time (boundary) but extending forever. The subtle difference is the implied expansion and of the mind which is the basis for all motion, yet a motion that cannot be shared by the absolute universe. The concept of infinity and eternity requires a mental construct of extension...extending a boundary. Ultimately, the only perception, minus all our conceptions, of time must be finite. The absolute universe can have no such concepts of time and implies it conforms only to the former above.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY If this is true, and I believe it is, how can this reality be classified as "one" when one implies an ending? We can imagine a point on a simple circle moving around its circumference without end, but the circle itself, if to be called "one circle," must have a boundary in order to make sense of what is observed. Without such finitude, the one without boundaries would be more-accurately classified as none imo. The same applies to the timeless and eternity, which some folks classified synonymously, which the former is without time (boundary) and the latter with time (boundary) but extending forever. The subtle difference is the implied expansion and of the mind which is the basis for all motion, yet a motion that cannot be shared by the absolute universe. The concept of infinity and eternity requires a mental construct of extension...extending a boundary. Ultimately, the only perception, minus all our conceptions, of time must be finite. The absolute universe can have no such concepts of time and implies it conforms only to the former above.

I'm not sure what you mean by ''one'' implies an ending. Nobody.
I don''t think one can imply an ending, we can only communicate with symbols
in reality nothing has any meaning ... THIS is it's own meaning, no concept in mind.
It is the nature of the human mind to seek meaning to his existence where there is none.
My interpretation of one is this, one is a metaphor for zero. 0
The inner part of the circle is nothingness .. out of which there is the surround or somethingness. [The edge of creation]
These two aspects interweave and mingle from one to the other like a heart beat or a flash.[appearing & disappearing]
ONE WITHOUT A SECOND
To say there is only one is misleading, but what it implies is the interconnection of everything&nothing.
Everything we see as reality is nothing more than a relative conceptual mental mind construct of our memory. [appearing&disappearing]
recreated and passed away.[AWAKE]
ultimately the absolute has no concept in mind, but to experience itself the illusion of space & time becomes 'apparent'' only.



Nisagadatta said..
You can observe the observation, but not the observer. You know you are the ultimate observer by direct insight,
not by a logical process based on observation. You are what you are, but you know what you are not.
The self is known as being, the not-self is known as transient. But in reality all is in the mind.
The observed, observation and observer are mental constructs. The self alone is.
"There are opposites, but no opposition."

Quote..
The most the mind can do is see how it functions and conclude that it cannot think itself beyond thought
and that thought IS devision even when thinking 'unity' or 'oneness' as it implies 'duality' and 'two-ness'.

melanie.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Drifter So true Mel. Pretty is only skin deep, beauty is to the bone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc

Thanks drifter for this video, .. a reminder of the autistic world,
i have worked in a pre-school with some autistic children,
they are very warm and loving and very intelligent,
if and when they are allowed to express their being without conditions
they can certainly teach us a thing or two
They are quite capable of interaction within mainstream education,
all they apply for is space to be, they teach us a way out of ignorance
and to adopt patience and un-conditional love.

melanie.

[Drifter]

"What's wrong with right now, unless you think about it?"

The particularization of space is thought[power] and thought is movement manifest by inertia[force].

http://members.iinet.net.au/~adamson7/

Originally Posted by N0B0DY In order for space to move, it would have to move through itself. Which, if we conceptualize an infinite number of densities of space, it could. Yet, when we realize that what is required for space to move through itself isn't really "there," then there can be no such motion for space and therefore no such literal existential things. Simply, imo, the absolute universe doesn't have to move anywhere to reach anywhere because it is logically already there. Then our conception and perception of space must therefore be a conscious extension based on time, since the universe by default shrinks space/distance to zero everywhere.

[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by Drifter "What's wrong with right now, unless you think about it?" The particularization of space is thought[power] and thought is movement manifest by inertia[force]. http://members.iinet.net.au/~adamson7/

Exactly, Drifter. Great link!

For millennia there has been much talk about exterior forces, but it all comes down to what is observed. Even that which will be that which it becomes will be that which is by way of observation, and without observation there is no existence.

It is that the mind clings to things that are observed as real, and therefore really existing when not observed. Yet how would one go about proving the existence of things a priori when in order to prove such things, even to oneself, requires an a posteriori means?

The converse doesn’t hold true because we can infer that the existence as it is classified by way of conscious observation, ceases when sensory stimuli ceases. Semi-accurately like closing your eyes changes the perception of your reality.

What happens to reality when you close your eyes, and what happens to it when you can’t hear and feel? Others will say that they can still see, hear and feel, and that’s how they will have then proved the point in question without even realizing it.

[Drifter]

Without 'the witness' there is no observation to observe.

We are being seen-through by the all-seeing Omnipotence, thereby it, Omnipotence, has the Omnipresent Omniscience of a/the higher harmonic, which can be attuned too by those of a finite being with an entoned/resonate mind to do so.

I had the good-fortune to attend several satsang with "Sailor" Bob when he was in Sarasota several years ago by way of a local sponsor. cool. very succinct, and unwavering. i would recomment his book as well for anyone interested. When all is said and done this is what it all boils down too, ya know. "When you think ya know, ya don't, when ya know You don't, ya do." He has several "children" in the U.S. who continue his [Niz's] teaching as Bob understands it who do quite well in their own respect. John Wheeler for one who had the where-with-all to go to Australia to see Bob personally, and has written numerous books that are comprehensible, just to name one.

of course our own Mel is an excellent home source too, just unpublishes as of yet, you go girl . . .

Kudo's brother

d.

Originally Posted by N0B0DY Exactly, Drifter. Great link! For millennia there has been much talk about exterior forces, but it all comes down to what is observed. Even that which will be that which it becomes will be that which is by way of observation, and without observation there is no existence. It is that the mind clings to things that are observed as real, and therefore really existing when not observed. Yet how would one go about proving the existence of things a priori when in order to prove such things, even to oneself, requires an a posteriori means? The converse doesn’t hold true because we can infer that the existence as it is classified by way of conscious observation, ceases when sensory stimuli ceases. Semi-accurately like closing your eyes changes the perception of your reality. What happens to reality when you close your eyes, and what happens to it when you can’t hear and feel? Others will say that they can still see, hear and feel, and that’s how they will have then proved the point in question without even realizing it.

[Drifter]

Just received an e-mail allert to some mechanizations going on in full view in world today.
We would probably all do well to become a little more cognizant of current world events such as the following exposition before it, and similar one's like, is/are banned by the powers that be.

http://truthbeknown.com/ossuary.htm

I just felt I had to share this among friends, my apologies, in advance, for the probable inappropriate use of this venue.

Namaste` All

A friend in faith

ps, if you have a sensitive stomach may I suggest you only read the summary provided and forego the visual.

[Drifter]

The Presence is silent and conveys a state of peace. It's infinitely gentle and yet like a rock. With it, all fear disappears, and spiritual joy occurs on a quiet level of inexplicable ecstasy. Because the experience of time stops, there's no apprehension, regret , pain, or anticipation; the source of joy is unending and ever-present. With no beginning or ending, there can be no loss, grief, or desire---and nothing needs be done, for everything is already perfect and complete.

We simply teach ourselves to perfect this state of consciousness as an instrument. Exceptional, subjective experiences of truth---the providence of the mystic, who affects all of mankind by sending forth energy of his level into the collective consciousness---simply are not understandable to the majority of human beings and therefore are of limited meaning except to other spiritual seekers. Just being ordinary in and of itself is an expression of divinity; the truth of one's real self can be discovered through the pathway of everyday life. The commonplace and God aren't distinct. To live with care and kindness is all that is necessary; the test reveals itself in due time.

When time stops, all problems disappear, for they are merely artifacts of a point of perception. As the Presence prevails, there is no further identification with the body or mind. When the mind grows silent, the thought I am also disappears, and pure Awareness shines forth to illuminate what one is, was, and always will be, beyond all worlds and all universes---infinite and beyond time.

People wonder, How does one reach this state of awareness? Few follow the steps because they're so simple.

First, the desire to reach the state is intense.
Then comes the discipline to act with constant and universal forgiveness and gentleness, without exception.
One has to be compassionate toward everything, including one's own self and thoughts.
Next a willingness to hold desires in abeyance and surrender personal will at every moment.
As each thought, feeling, longing, or deed was surrendered to God, the mind became increasingly silent. At first, turning over entire stories and paragraphs in the mind, then ideas and concepts.
As one lets go of the desire to own these thoughts, they no longer reach such elaboration, and begin to fragment while only half-formed.
Finally, it is possible to turn over the energy behind thought itself, before it even becomes thought.

The task of constant and unrelenting fixity of focus---not allowing even a moment of distraction from meditation [even in a walking meditation] continues while doing ordinary activities. At first it may seem difficult but as time goes on it will become habitual, automatic, and effortless. The process is like a rocket leaving Earth:
At first, it requires enormous power, then less as it leaves earth's gravitation field; and finally, it moves through space under its own momentum.

Suddenly, without warning, a shift in awareness occurs, and the Presence is there, unmistakable, all encompassing. They may be a few moments of apprehension as the self [ egoic urges and desires] dies, and then the absoluteness of the Presence inspires a flash of awe. The breakthrough is spectacular, more intense than anything previously known---it has no counterpart in ordinary experience. The profound shock entailed is cushioned by the Love of the Presence. Without the support and protection of that Love, one would be annihilated.

A moment of terror follows as the ego clings to its existence, fearing it will become nothingness. Instead, as it dies, it is replaced by the Self as Everything-ness, the All in which everything is known and obvious in its perfect expression of its own essence. With non-locality comes the awareness that one is all that ever was or can be. One is total and complete, beyond all identities, gender, or even humanness itself.

One need never again fear suffering and death.

What happens to the body, from this point, is immaterial.